I stand in awe!
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Ever since I converted my Dell desktop to UEFI boot, I have been fiddling with the BIOS settings to see how I can speed up my boot time. For the purposes of this discussion, I define "boot time" as the time lapse between pressing the power button and the log-in screen appearing. My apologies for a shameless plug: You can read more about my UEFI exploits in this CP article: (Take careful note of the warnings in this article!) Preparing a Drive for UEFI Boot[^] UEFI is supposed to boot faster than legacy boot, but I was disappointed because my boot time hovered around 38 seconds. That was until I noticed in my BIOS that I had the Legacy Boot ROMs enabled. There was a note from Dell that enabling these ROMs will cause them to load at boot time. This unnecessary load must take a few seconds, because when I disabled the legacy ROMs, the boot time dropped to 19 seconds. Wow! I have never had a machine boot this fast. This setup is really smoking. By the way: My Dell is a 64 bit machine with a 3.41GHz processor and DDR4 memory, running Windows 10 Pro. Note that this comment applies to Dell desktops. I do not know if legacy ROMs can be disabled in other machines.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
I have never understood the fascination with boot times. At my company, and at just about every company I have worked, no one EVER turns off their PC. I do the same at home. The 3 PC's, server, and laptop I own are always on. In the event I need to reboot, I go grab a cup of coffee and come back in to a log in screen. So what? [ADDITION] What about AFTER boot/login? On a typical dev machine there are countless apps that need to start up before you can become productive. So your boot time of +/-19 seconds to the login screen really isn't a good measure of when you're "up & running"... IMHO.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Ok, Let's compare apples with apples. I tried my Dell Inspiron laptop and the boot time is 7 seconds. However, my desktop is still checking out disk drives at 7 seconds. (I have two internal drives and two external drives connected.) That may explain the longer boot time for the desktop?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Ever since I converted my Dell desktop to UEFI boot, I have been fiddling with the BIOS settings to see how I can speed up my boot time. For the purposes of this discussion, I define "boot time" as the time lapse between pressing the power button and the log-in screen appearing. My apologies for a shameless plug: You can read more about my UEFI exploits in this CP article: (Take careful note of the warnings in this article!) Preparing a Drive for UEFI Boot[^] UEFI is supposed to boot faster than legacy boot, but I was disappointed because my boot time hovered around 38 seconds. That was until I noticed in my BIOS that I had the Legacy Boot ROMs enabled. There was a note from Dell that enabling these ROMs will cause them to load at boot time. This unnecessary load must take a few seconds, because when I disabled the legacy ROMs, the boot time dropped to 19 seconds. Wow! I have never had a machine boot this fast. This setup is really smoking. By the way: My Dell is a 64 bit machine with a 3.41GHz processor and DDR4 memory, running Windows 10 Pro. Note that this comment applies to Dell desktops. I do not know if legacy ROMs can be disabled in other machines.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
IIRC, I used to have a boot time less than 5 seconds on my 64... kB Commodore 64.
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AHCI is indeed, independent of UEFI or legacy BIOS, and it may be turned on or off, depending on your model...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Ok, I have three options in my BIOS: SATA off SATA set to AHCI SATA set to RAID Only the RAID setting works, the machine will not boot on any other option. (Although I have NO RAID disks!) I may have had SATA set to RAID when I installed Windows 10? Dell BIOS tells me I have to re-install the OS if I change this setting! Aaargh!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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I have never understood the fascination with boot times. At my company, and at just about every company I have worked, no one EVER turns off their PC. I do the same at home. The 3 PC's, server, and laptop I own are always on. In the event I need to reboot, I go grab a cup of coffee and come back in to a log in screen. So what? [ADDITION] What about AFTER boot/login? On a typical dev machine there are countless apps that need to start up before you can become productive. So your boot time of +/-19 seconds to the login screen really isn't a good measure of when you're "up & running"... IMHO.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
You are right, there are a few services that have to load after the log in screen, but you can use the machine while they load. In my case, I have about 20% of the services that want to load, disabled, since I do not need them.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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You are right, there are a few services that have to load after the log in screen, but you can use the machine while they load. In my case, I have about 20% of the services that want to load, disabled, since I do not need them.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Right. In my world I have to open - Visual Studio - SQL Server Mgmt Studio - IE or Chrome - Services - IIS - Email Client - Skype - Sometimes Documents (when needed) - Other lesser needed apps. Some of the apps take FOREVER to load, so like I said, just getting to the log in screen doesn't mean you're ready to work.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Ever since I converted my Dell desktop to UEFI boot, I have been fiddling with the BIOS settings to see how I can speed up my boot time. For the purposes of this discussion, I define "boot time" as the time lapse between pressing the power button and the log-in screen appearing. My apologies for a shameless plug: You can read more about my UEFI exploits in this CP article: (Take careful note of the warnings in this article!) Preparing a Drive for UEFI Boot[^] UEFI is supposed to boot faster than legacy boot, but I was disappointed because my boot time hovered around 38 seconds. That was until I noticed in my BIOS that I had the Legacy Boot ROMs enabled. There was a note from Dell that enabling these ROMs will cause them to load at boot time. This unnecessary load must take a few seconds, because when I disabled the legacy ROMs, the boot time dropped to 19 seconds. Wow! I have never had a machine boot this fast. This setup is really smoking. By the way: My Dell is a 64 bit machine with a 3.41GHz processor and DDR4 memory, running Windows 10 Pro. Note that this comment applies to Dell desktops. I do not know if legacy ROMs can be disabled in other machines.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Just a few weeks ago, I upgraded a 6 yo tower by replacing the standard HDD with a 480GB SSD...finally a capacity I could live with at a reasonable price. I reloaded 7 from DVD, activated, then immediately upgraded to 10. What a huge difference one component will make! My power on to login screen is less than 15 seconds, and ready to use in less than 30. It has totally disrupted my coffee routine! The SSD is the only new item in the rig. The rest: AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.00 GHz 4GB DDR3 Win 10 Pro (32 bit) One thing I found out was that having a 6 yo rig meant that I had 6 years of dust on the cooling fins. I realized this after Minecraft caused the system to shutdown after about 20 minutes or so. After it did this twice, I suspected overheating and download free tool and discovered that my idle temps were 195F and Minecraft was pushing them to over 250F! A thorough dusting and it now idles at around 140F...I haven't had time for games lately so I don't know if this will solve my overheating issues, but it's a pretty safe bet. :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Ok, Let's compare apples with apples. I tried my Dell Inspiron laptop and the boot time is 7 seconds. However, my desktop is still checking out disk drives at 7 seconds. (I have two internal drives and two external drives connected.) That may explain the longer boot time for the desktop?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Cornelius Henning wrote:
my desktop is still checking out disk drives at 7 seconds
I vaguely remember one of my machine having options in the BIOS to either automatically detect all drives on every boot, or set them up once permanently and skip any subsequent attempt to auto-detect drives. I think that had saved me a few seconds on every boot. The drawback of course was that if I ever changed or added drives, I had to remember to go back in the BIOS to update things. YMMV.
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IIRC, I used to have a boot time less than 5 seconds on my 64... kB Commodore 64.
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Ok, I have three options in my BIOS: SATA off SATA set to AHCI SATA set to RAID Only the RAID setting works, the machine will not boot on any other option. (Although I have NO RAID disks!) I may have had SATA set to RAID when I installed Windows 10? Dell BIOS tells me I have to re-install the OS if I change this setting! Aaargh!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Basically it is not a problem that the BIOS configured to RAID as long as it does not holds the startup back... There is away to move from RAID to AHCI, but it involves registry edit...In any case, and at your own risk... Set these two values to 0, then restart the computer...Go directly to BIOS and set AHCI HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\msahci\Start HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\atapi\Start It worked for a Dell E6510...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Ever since I converted my Dell desktop to UEFI boot, I have been fiddling with the BIOS settings to see how I can speed up my boot time. For the purposes of this discussion, I define "boot time" as the time lapse between pressing the power button and the log-in screen appearing. My apologies for a shameless plug: You can read more about my UEFI exploits in this CP article: (Take careful note of the warnings in this article!) Preparing a Drive for UEFI Boot[^] UEFI is supposed to boot faster than legacy boot, but I was disappointed because my boot time hovered around 38 seconds. That was until I noticed in my BIOS that I had the Legacy Boot ROMs enabled. There was a note from Dell that enabling these ROMs will cause them to load at boot time. This unnecessary load must take a few seconds, because when I disabled the legacy ROMs, the boot time dropped to 19 seconds. Wow! I have never had a machine boot this fast. This setup is really smoking. By the way: My Dell is a 64 bit machine with a 3.41GHz processor and DDR4 memory, running Windows 10 Pro. Note that this comment applies to Dell desktops. I do not know if legacy ROMs can be disabled in other machines.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Cornelius Henning wrote:
speed up my boot time
SSD reorder boot sequence to boot from SSD first
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Ok, Let's compare apples with apples. I tried my Dell Inspiron laptop and the boot time is 7 seconds. However, my desktop is still checking out disk drives at 7 seconds. (I have two internal drives and two external drives connected.) That may explain the longer boot time for the desktop?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Cornelius Henning wrote:
That may explain the longer boot time for the desktop?
Sounds reasonable. :) Marc
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Ever since I converted my Dell desktop to UEFI boot, I have been fiddling with the BIOS settings to see how I can speed up my boot time. For the purposes of this discussion, I define "boot time" as the time lapse between pressing the power button and the log-in screen appearing. My apologies for a shameless plug: You can read more about my UEFI exploits in this CP article: (Take careful note of the warnings in this article!) Preparing a Drive for UEFI Boot[^] UEFI is supposed to boot faster than legacy boot, but I was disappointed because my boot time hovered around 38 seconds. That was until I noticed in my BIOS that I had the Legacy Boot ROMs enabled. There was a note from Dell that enabling these ROMs will cause them to load at boot time. This unnecessary load must take a few seconds, because when I disabled the legacy ROMs, the boot time dropped to 19 seconds. Wow! I have never had a machine boot this fast. This setup is really smoking. By the way: My Dell is a 64 bit machine with a 3.41GHz processor and DDR4 memory, running Windows 10 Pro. Note that this comment applies to Dell desktops. I do not know if legacy ROMs can be disabled in other machines.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
If the effort expended in the basically pointless pursuit of quicker booting had been devoted to any of the many genuine problems the world currently faces we might well be living in the best of times. Just saying!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Ok, Let's compare apples with apples. I tried my Dell Inspiron laptop and the boot time is 7 seconds. However, my desktop is still checking out disk drives at 7 seconds. (I have two internal drives and two external drives connected.) That may explain the longer boot time for the desktop?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
On my Win10 machine the booting is vastly faster if the external USB drives are not connected.
My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...
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If the effort expended in the basically pointless pursuit of quicker booting had been devoted to any of the many genuine problems the world currently faces we might well be living in the best of times. Just saying!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
9082365 wrote:
best of times
and the worst of times. ;P
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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If the effort expended in the basically pointless pursuit of quicker booting had been devoted to any of the many genuine problems the world currently faces we might well be living in the best of times. Just saying!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
Since I have been in the USA I have written to the President countless number of times, telling him exactly how to fix all the problems afflicting this planet - But will he listen? Noooo! He knows better! :-D
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Just a few weeks ago, I upgraded a 6 yo tower by replacing the standard HDD with a 480GB SSD...finally a capacity I could live with at a reasonable price. I reloaded 7 from DVD, activated, then immediately upgraded to 10. What a huge difference one component will make! My power on to login screen is less than 15 seconds, and ready to use in less than 30. It has totally disrupted my coffee routine! The SSD is the only new item in the rig. The rest: AMD Phenom II X4 940 3.00 GHz 4GB DDR3 Win 10 Pro (32 bit) One thing I found out was that having a 6 yo rig meant that I had 6 years of dust on the cooling fins. I realized this after Minecraft caused the system to shutdown after about 20 minutes or so. After it did this twice, I suspected overheating and download free tool and discovered that my idle temps were 195F and Minecraft was pushing them to over 250F! A thorough dusting and it now idles at around 140F...I haven't had time for games lately so I don't know if this will solve my overheating issues, but it's a pretty safe bet. :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Basically it is not a problem that the BIOS configured to RAID as long as it does not holds the startup back... There is away to move from RAID to AHCI, but it involves registry edit...In any case, and at your own risk... Set these two values to 0, then restart the computer...Go directly to BIOS and set AHCI HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\msahci\Start HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\atapi\Start It worked for a Dell E6510...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Thanks for your valuable inputs, but I have already re-installed the OS with AHCI enabled and RAID disabled! It's no big deal, once you have done a re-install a number of times, as I have. :)
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Quote:
Win 10 Pro (32 bit)
Oh wow! Change to 64! It will make a huge difference! (Off course it means a hardware change! :) )
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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I would've gone 64 bit, but didn't feel like getting adding RAM to a 6 yo system. :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
