Win 10 grievances
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V. wrote:
That comes awfully close to censorship if you ask me.
It actually IS. Did they put it somewhere in their EULA that you grant them the right to automatically uninstall certain software? What if you've developed an anti-malware solution yourself? Bugger off, MS, I'd like to decide for myself which software runs on my computer.
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
There is a lot of interesting thing in that EULA...A fine reading of how innocent people can be turned into money...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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What would you say if MS decided for whatever reason that your software gets automatically uninstalled?
If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson
Sascha Lefèvre wrote:
What would you say if MS decided for whatever reason that your software gets automatically uninstalled?
I would not like that. And I would try to find out why. But I would also know it's their right to do with their software what they want.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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While I don't have any other problems using windows 10, I share your concern. One of the bigger updates deleted Ccleaner from my machine - no warning, no questions after the update it was gone. Also each and every update resets my settings to default, stuff like my default browser, my default applications for certain file extensions(.pdf defaults to MS's reader for example) and it also enabled some settings for some already installed apps and games. Luckily it left Visual Studio alone.
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One of the bigger updates deleted Ccleaner from my machine
That is strange. I run CCleaner on my Windows 10 setup with all updates, and I have no problems. Do you run the free version, or the paid version? I have the free version. Did you try to re-install it?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS - WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM: 13.c.
Malware protection. Microsoft cares about protecting your device from malware. The software will turn on malware protection if other protection is not installed or has expired. To do so, other antimalware software will be disabled or may have to be removed.
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
That would be fine if their software was at least as good as what it's removing...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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One of the bigger updates deleted Ccleaner from my machine
That is strange. I run CCleaner on my Windows 10 setup with all updates, and I have no problems. Do you run the free version, or the paid version? I have the free version. Did you try to re-install it?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
I had the free version and it does work. But I had to reinstall it. The update removed it, but didn't bother me again later. But I don't want to setup certain programs after each update. I mean removing applications without asking is already too much, after that there was no notification. I would like to at least know what is missing.
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That would be fine if their software was at least as good as what it's removing...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013The harsh point of it is, that the only vote for removing any software is in Microsoft's hand - a good opening to force software vendors to pay for being on the good list...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Since everyone is complaining about windows 10. I had Spybot installed for scanning malware. To my knowledge a trustworthy application. (:confused:) After one of their mandatory, impossible-to-switch-off, updates, MS informed me that Spybot was not in their list of "trustworthy" anti-malware applications and uninstalled it, enabling windows defender instead. That comes awfully close to censorship if you ask me. What prevents them to uninstall anything not on their approved list in a next update? (You can guess where this is going). Not that Apple, for instance, is any better...
V.
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I can see this causing huge problems with false positives if they leave this in. Just imagine all those dlls or applications that get removed because the OS incorrectly identifies them as suspicious - also there are genuine cases where some people will want suspicious applications running on their computers to test firewalls etc. I am guessing that there is going to be an easy way to switch this off in an upcoming patch - either that or the people at Microsoft have finally gone bananas.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Since everyone is complaining about windows 10. I had Spybot installed for scanning malware. To my knowledge a trustworthy application. (:confused:) After one of their mandatory, impossible-to-switch-off, updates, MS informed me that Spybot was not in their list of "trustworthy" anti-malware applications and uninstalled it, enabling windows defender instead. That comes awfully close to censorship if you ask me. What prevents them to uninstall anything not on their approved list in a next update? (You can guess where this is going). Not that Apple, for instance, is any better...
V.
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I had a strange experience when I upgraded my grandson's laptop to 10. He had an old version of the Western Digital version of Acronis on the machine. (I put it there, to create system images.) The Win 10 upgrader saw it as malware, and tried to uninstall it. But you don't get rid of Acronis that easily. So the attempt to remove it, failed. The machine then went into an infinite loop of trying to get rid of Acronis, failing and automatically restarting. Repeat indefinitely! I couldn't stop it! :mad: I had to boot from a repair CD and format the friggin drive. Then I did a clean install, which worked like a dream! He now loves Win 10!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Since everyone is complaining about windows 10. I had Spybot installed for scanning malware. To my knowledge a trustworthy application. (:confused:) After one of their mandatory, impossible-to-switch-off, updates, MS informed me that Spybot was not in their list of "trustworthy" anti-malware applications and uninstalled it, enabling windows defender instead. That comes awfully close to censorship if you ask me. What prevents them to uninstall anything not on their approved list in a next update? (You can guess where this is going). Not that Apple, for instance, is any better...
V.
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V. wrote:
Since everyone is complaining about windows 10.
Who is this 'everyone'? There are millions upon millions including me that aren't complaining at all!
V. wrote:
That comes awfully close to censorship if you ask me.
Then I suggest that you reacquaint yourself with the meaning of 'censorship' for starters. There have been doubts about Spybot for years and it has consistently rated at 1 star (or less!) in reviews. There is every reason for MS to blacklist it to protect its OS and its users. You presumably use a malware monitor in order to eradicate programs which represent a potential danger to your security. What genuine difference is there when the OS does it instead?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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V. wrote:
Since everyone is complaining about windows 10.
Who is this 'everyone'? There are millions upon millions including me that aren't complaining at all!
V. wrote:
That comes awfully close to censorship if you ask me.
Then I suggest that you reacquaint yourself with the meaning of 'censorship' for starters. There have been doubts about Spybot for years and it has consistently rated at 1 star (or less!) in reviews. There is every reason for MS to blacklist it to protect its OS and its users. You presumably use a malware monitor in order to eradicate programs which represent a potential danger to your security. What genuine difference is there when the OS does it instead?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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V. wrote:
Since everyone is complaining about windows 10.
Who is this 'everyone'? There are millions upon millions including me that aren't complaining at all!
V. wrote:
That comes awfully close to censorship if you ask me.
Then I suggest that you reacquaint yourself with the meaning of 'censorship' for starters. There have been doubts about Spybot for years and it has consistently rated at 1 star (or less!) in reviews. There is every reason for MS to blacklist it to protect its OS and its users. You presumably use a malware monitor in order to eradicate programs which represent a potential danger to your security. What genuine difference is there when the OS does it instead?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
A better way of doing things is to warn the user about a product and make suggestions, leaving it up to the user to have the final decision. And indeed, I did not read up on Spybot for a while, that much is true, but removing something without my consent is something else. (yes, it is in the user agreement probably, but that's for another discussion)
V.
(MQOTD rules and previous solutions)
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The harsh point of it is, that the only vote for removing any software is in Microsoft's hand - a good opening to force software vendors to pay for being on the good list...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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There is a lot of interesting thing in that EULA...A fine reading of how innocent people can be turned into money...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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If it works for Facebook, Twitter, and the rest of social media, it can work with Windows, right?
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
The problem that it probably will turn Windows in to a social media platform...I'm not sure we need one more...or any for that matter...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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The problem that it probably will turn Windows in to a social media platform...I'm not sure we need one more...or any for that matter...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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While I don't have any other problems using windows 10, I share your concern. One of the bigger updates deleted Ccleaner from my machine - no warning, no questions after the update it was gone. Also each and every update resets my settings to default, stuff like my default browser, my default applications for certain file extensions(.pdf defaults to MS's reader for example) and it also enabled some settings for some already installed apps and games. Luckily it left Visual Studio alone.
Because of a bug in Windows 10, some of you might be thinking that Windows is "uninstalling" stuff, when in fact its not. Windows 10 had an issue where the start menu could only display 512 menu items (including sub-items and sub-sub-items). You can read about the issue here. As a result, you might think Microsoft is uninstalling programs because you can't find them in your start menu, but I think the issue is related to this. This issue has since been fixed in the 1511 update roll out.
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MICROSOFT SOFTWARE LICENSE TERMS - WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM: 13.c.
Malware protection. Microsoft cares about protecting your device from malware. The software will turn on malware protection if other protection is not installed or has expired. To do so, other antimalware software will be disabled or may have to be removed.
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
If I'm following the conversation correctly, it was the free version that was uninstalled. I doubt that falls into the 'expired' category. Unless Microsoft defines it as 'no active subscription' which is just being overly pedantic.
