Does The World realize that Windows 10 is no longer an operating system
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I know there has been plenty of griping about Microsoft's Windows 10, but it finally sunk in to me the other day that there is a real departure here: Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states (or so I've read, not wanting to install that software on anything I own) that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit (to "help" the customer, to help MS tune their speech to text, to help law enforcement or friendly governments---all too friendly governments). I don't think this has been past practice for Microsoft or any operating system provider. Yes, Google, for example, routinely uses data that passes through its various services, but I for one have always made a distinction between what I choose to do in a cloud environment (email, cloud store) vs. my own private computer. I suspect most computer users, technical or otherwise, have had a similar paradigm, i.e., my computer is relatively private and the operating system which is necessary to use the computer (and in Microsoft's case has been granted a monopoly literally by government acquiescence to it constructing illegal barriers to entry in that market, e.g., poisoning the Java code base back when) has not been accessing my data and sending it to other places for agendas not my own (yes, I know malware and government surveillance software may do that, but the idea is that this is the exception, not the rule, or was). I personally am going to stick with earlier Windows versions to the bitter end and begin using Linux in parallel now, but I wonder if the public generally should be clearly informed that there has been a paradigm shift at Microsoft, who now view their OS as a service more or less free as Google services and with the same open door to their use of any and all user data associated with that service. I should add that I don't believe the future will be all cloud serviced devices. The whole point of the personal computer revolution (where I began) was to empower the individual and decentralize computing, not to set up a massive client server model. To begin such a massive centralizing effort in today's world is foolhardy when our infrastructure is incredibly fragile, the preference for individual and private computing aside.
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I know there has been plenty of griping about Microsoft's Windows 10, but it finally sunk in to me the other day that there is a real departure here: Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states (or so I've read, not wanting to install that software on anything I own) that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit (to "help" the customer, to help MS tune their speech to text, to help law enforcement or friendly governments---all too friendly governments). I don't think this has been past practice for Microsoft or any operating system provider. Yes, Google, for example, routinely uses data that passes through its various services, but I for one have always made a distinction between what I choose to do in a cloud environment (email, cloud store) vs. my own private computer. I suspect most computer users, technical or otherwise, have had a similar paradigm, i.e., my computer is relatively private and the operating system which is necessary to use the computer (and in Microsoft's case has been granted a monopoly literally by government acquiescence to it constructing illegal barriers to entry in that market, e.g., poisoning the Java code base back when) has not been accessing my data and sending it to other places for agendas not my own (yes, I know malware and government surveillance software may do that, but the idea is that this is the exception, not the rule, or was). I personally am going to stick with earlier Windows versions to the bitter end and begin using Linux in parallel now, but I wonder if the public generally should be clearly informed that there has been a paradigm shift at Microsoft, who now view their OS as a service more or less free as Google services and with the same open door to their use of any and all user data associated with that service. I should add that I don't believe the future will be all cloud serviced devices. The whole point of the personal computer revolution (where I began) was to empower the individual and decentralize computing, not to set up a massive client server model. To begin such a massive centralizing effort in today's world is foolhardy when our infrastructure is incredibly fragile, the preference for individual and private computing aside.
Ancient Zygote wrote:
Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states ... that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit
Really? Where? I can't see anything obvious in the Microsoft Privacy Statement[^] or the Windows 10 privacy FAQ[^]. Even on Reddit[^], they accept that the single reference to accessing private folders refers only to content stored in OneDrive, not files stored on your local computer - as confirmed by MS support[^]. As an aside, you might want to invest in a new keyboard; one where the "Return" key isn't broken! ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer
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Ancient Zygote wrote:
Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states ... that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit
Really? Where? I can't see anything obvious in the Microsoft Privacy Statement[^] or the Windows 10 privacy FAQ[^]. Even on Reddit[^], they accept that the single reference to accessing private folders refers only to content stored in OneDrive, not files stored on your local computer - as confirmed by MS support[^]. As an aside, you might want to invest in a new keyboard; one where the "Return" key isn't broken! ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Ancient Zygote wrote:
Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states ... that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit
Really? Where? I can't see anything obvious in the Microsoft Privacy Statement[^] or the Windows 10 privacy FAQ[^]. Even on Reddit[^], they accept that the single reference to accessing private folders refers only to content stored in OneDrive, not files stored on your local computer - as confirmed by MS support[^]. As an aside, you might want to invest in a new keyboard; one where the "Return" key isn't broken! ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
.... Additionally, your typed and handwritten words are collected to provide you a personalized user dictionary, help you type and write on your device with better character recognition, and provide you with text suggestions as you type or write. Typing data includes a sample of characters and words you type, which we scrub to remove IDs, IP addresses, and other potential identifiers. It also includes associated performance data, such as changes you manually make to text as well as words you've added to the dictionary. ... I understand this as everything you type will be saved for later use for your "dictionary"... and of course for perhaps other things as well?
Who the f*** is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?
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I know there has been plenty of griping about Microsoft's Windows 10, but it finally sunk in to me the other day that there is a real departure here: Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states (or so I've read, not wanting to install that software on anything I own) that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit (to "help" the customer, to help MS tune their speech to text, to help law enforcement or friendly governments---all too friendly governments). I don't think this has been past practice for Microsoft or any operating system provider. Yes, Google, for example, routinely uses data that passes through its various services, but I for one have always made a distinction between what I choose to do in a cloud environment (email, cloud store) vs. my own private computer. I suspect most computer users, technical or otherwise, have had a similar paradigm, i.e., my computer is relatively private and the operating system which is necessary to use the computer (and in Microsoft's case has been granted a monopoly literally by government acquiescence to it constructing illegal barriers to entry in that market, e.g., poisoning the Java code base back when) has not been accessing my data and sending it to other places for agendas not my own (yes, I know malware and government surveillance software may do that, but the idea is that this is the exception, not the rule, or was). I personally am going to stick with earlier Windows versions to the bitter end and begin using Linux in parallel now, but I wonder if the public generally should be clearly informed that there has been a paradigm shift at Microsoft, who now view their OS as a service more or less free as Google services and with the same open door to their use of any and all user data associated with that service. I should add that I don't believe the future will be all cloud serviced devices. The whole point of the personal computer revolution (where I began) was to empower the individual and decentralize computing, not to set up a massive client server model. To begin such a massive centralizing effort in today's world is foolhardy when our infrastructure is incredibly fragile, the preference for individual and private computing aside.
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.... Additionally, your typed and handwritten words are collected to provide you a personalized user dictionary, help you type and write on your device with better character recognition, and provide you with text suggestions as you type or write. Typing data includes a sample of characters and words you type, which we scrub to remove IDs, IP addresses, and other potential identifiers. It also includes associated performance data, such as changes you manually make to text as well as words you've added to the dictionary. ... I understand this as everything you type will be saved for later use for your "dictionary"... and of course for perhaps other things as well?
Who the f*** is General Failure, and why is he reading my harddisk?
So, in short everything your smartphone has been doing since the day you bought it and, more importantly, only if you opt to use a connected MS account to log in with. Hardly a paradigm shift of Earth-shaking proportions, now is it?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Ancient Zygote wrote:
Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states ... that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit
Really? Where? I can't see anything obvious in the Microsoft Privacy Statement[^] or the Windows 10 privacy FAQ[^]. Even on Reddit[^], they accept that the single reference to accessing private folders refers only to content stored in OneDrive, not files stored on your local computer - as confirmed by MS support[^]. As an aside, you might want to invest in a new keyboard; one where the "Return" key isn't broken! ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Sorry about the lack of paragraph breaks. I'm a touch typist and tend to stream thought. As for questioning whether MS actually is saying they will access personal documents on your computer etc., they are not trying to say that so clearly, but that seems to be the gist of it at: Hmmm...I'm having trouble getting the link in. [^] I won't be tedious and go through a detailed semantic analysis of that page, but do advise if you think it is not saying that any content on any device you sign on to using Windows 10 will be subject to use (and that certainly means remote transmission since they are explicitly telling you that Windows 10 is no longer simply a device operating system but a cloud service in many respects). That is certainly their right to decide they don't want to sell an operating system for your device under the old paradigm (and I'm reasonably certain that was Bill's idea, since he came back in 2014 to help MS and only he would have the power to do something like that). I just think the public should know that in plain language so they can look at alternatives if they really would prefer to run an old-fashioned private computer (with tin foil hat supplied, grin).
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I know there has been plenty of griping about Microsoft's Windows 10, but it finally sunk in to me the other day that there is a real departure here: Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states (or so I've read, not wanting to install that software on anything I own) that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit (to "help" the customer, to help MS tune their speech to text, to help law enforcement or friendly governments---all too friendly governments). I don't think this has been past practice for Microsoft or any operating system provider. Yes, Google, for example, routinely uses data that passes through its various services, but I for one have always made a distinction between what I choose to do in a cloud environment (email, cloud store) vs. my own private computer. I suspect most computer users, technical or otherwise, have had a similar paradigm, i.e., my computer is relatively private and the operating system which is necessary to use the computer (and in Microsoft's case has been granted a monopoly literally by government acquiescence to it constructing illegal barriers to entry in that market, e.g., poisoning the Java code base back when) has not been accessing my data and sending it to other places for agendas not my own (yes, I know malware and government surveillance software may do that, but the idea is that this is the exception, not the rule, or was). I personally am going to stick with earlier Windows versions to the bitter end and begin using Linux in parallel now, but I wonder if the public generally should be clearly informed that there has been a paradigm shift at Microsoft, who now view their OS as a service more or less free as Google services and with the same open door to their use of any and all user data associated with that service. I should add that I don't believe the future will be all cloud serviced devices. The whole point of the personal computer revolution (where I began) was to empower the individual and decentralize computing, not to set up a massive client server model. To begin such a massive centralizing effort in today's world is foolhardy when our infrastructure is incredibly fragile, the preference for individual and private computing aside.
Ancient Zygote wrote:
Google, for example, routinely uses data that passes through its various services, but I for one have always made a distinction between what I choose to do in a cloud environment (email, cloud store) vs. my own private computer.
What do you make of the Chromebook?
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So, in short everything your smartphone has been doing since the day you bought it and, more importantly, only if you opt to use a connected MS account to log in with. Hardly a paradigm shift of Earth-shaking proportions, now is it?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
Well, that is actually my point, i.e., I'm of the school that views a computer as a different environment than a smartphone. It is in fact an Earth-shaking paradigm shift to quietly turn every Windows OS user into a smartphone equivalent paradigm. Again, that's ok to offer the product and ok if you like it, I just think it needs to be made very clear to the public what is happening (which will be difficult apparently). As for this behavior being invoked only following MS account sign in, I believe Microsoft intends that the Windows 10 user account is in fact a Microsoft account in that respect, whether linked to a previous MS online account or not. If you wade through the circular sequence of privacy statements you can reach from one of the earlier replies above you can pretty much gather that the intent is for you to logon to a cloud based service in Windows 10, an array of services really. I assume the next objection (other than, "so what") will be why don't you just disable the services that are more invasive. I don't believe that is possible. MS has taken the design view that the OS is everything, as contrasted with a Linux/Unix view that an OS is a core of functionality between you and the machine and you run well-behaved modules on it, separately developed and maintained, etc. I know MS has been talking about needing to be intimately connected with the silicon, but I don't think that is a good idea for an OS generally, much less for a cloud service OS.
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Ancient Zygote wrote:
Google, for example, routinely uses data that passes through its various services, but I for one have always made a distinction between what I choose to do in a cloud environment (email, cloud store) vs. my own private computer.
What do you make of the Chromebook?
I like the idea of the Chromebook. It makes it clear what it is. I certainly would not choose to make it my primary computing device, for the reasons I have already given. I am not opposed to multiple computing/Internet venues/environments, but I think we should be clear about which one we are in---and let the market provide a new one if the previous owner (of the market) decides to move on.
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Well, that is actually my point, i.e., I'm of the school that views a computer as a different environment than a smartphone. It is in fact an Earth-shaking paradigm shift to quietly turn every Windows OS user into a smartphone equivalent paradigm. Again, that's ok to offer the product and ok if you like it, I just think it needs to be made very clear to the public what is happening (which will be difficult apparently). As for this behavior being invoked only following MS account sign in, I believe Microsoft intends that the Windows 10 user account is in fact a Microsoft account in that respect, whether linked to a previous MS online account or not. If you wade through the circular sequence of privacy statements you can reach from one of the earlier replies above you can pretty much gather that the intent is for you to logon to a cloud based service in Windows 10, an array of services really. I assume the next objection (other than, "so what") will be why don't you just disable the services that are more invasive. I don't believe that is possible. MS has taken the design view that the OS is everything, as contrasted with a Linux/Unix view that an OS is a core of functionality between you and the machine and you run well-behaved modules on it, separately developed and maintained, etc. I know MS has been talking about needing to be intimately connected with the silicon, but I don't think that is a good idea for an OS generally, much less for a cloud service OS.
No, you're making huge assumptions which bear little resemblance to the truth. You can use a local sign-in (I know because I do) which has no connection at all with any MS account. You can disable Cortana and other data exchange services including the cloud storage. The only exchange which you cannot opt-out of is the performance and update data which is completely anonymised and, in any case, is not new in W10. The OS certainly allows you the option of operating your desktop or tablet as a mobile device similar to your phone but it does not require it and millions of us are happily using it as a simple, local OS in exactly the same way that we did W7 and those that went before that.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I know there has been plenty of griping about Microsoft's Windows 10, but it finally sunk in to me the other day that there is a real departure here: Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states (or so I've read, not wanting to install that software on anything I own) that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit (to "help" the customer, to help MS tune their speech to text, to help law enforcement or friendly governments---all too friendly governments). I don't think this has been past practice for Microsoft or any operating system provider. Yes, Google, for example, routinely uses data that passes through its various services, but I for one have always made a distinction between what I choose to do in a cloud environment (email, cloud store) vs. my own private computer. I suspect most computer users, technical or otherwise, have had a similar paradigm, i.e., my computer is relatively private and the operating system which is necessary to use the computer (and in Microsoft's case has been granted a monopoly literally by government acquiescence to it constructing illegal barriers to entry in that market, e.g., poisoning the Java code base back when) has not been accessing my data and sending it to other places for agendas not my own (yes, I know malware and government surveillance software may do that, but the idea is that this is the exception, not the rule, or was). I personally am going to stick with earlier Windows versions to the bitter end and begin using Linux in parallel now, but I wonder if the public generally should be clearly informed that there has been a paradigm shift at Microsoft, who now view their OS as a service more or less free as Google services and with the same open door to their use of any and all user data associated with that service. I should add that I don't believe the future will be all cloud serviced devices. The whole point of the personal computer revolution (where I began) was to empower the individual and decentralize computing, not to set up a massive client server model. To begin such a massive centralizing effort in today's world is foolhardy when our infrastructure is incredibly fragile, the preference for individual and private computing aside.
Paragraphs man... think about it.
Jeremy Falcon
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No, you're making huge assumptions which bear little resemblance to the truth. You can use a local sign-in (I know because I do) which has no connection at all with any MS account. You can disable Cortana and other data exchange services including the cloud storage. The only exchange which you cannot opt-out of is the performance and update data which is completely anonymised and, in any case, is not new in W10. The OS certainly allows you the option of operating your desktop or tablet as a mobile device similar to your phone but it does not require it and millions of us are happily using it as a simple, local OS in exactly the same way that we did W7 and those that went before that.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
I don't think I'm making any assumptions, I'm simply reading what Microsoft and some who have looked ath their statements and examined the operating system environment of Windows 10 have said. In particular: "We will acess, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of our services." That quote was from a Computerworld Aug, 4, 2015 article "Microsoft responds to Windows 10 privacy policy concerns." Microsoft added (in direct communication with the author of that article) "...we store the personal information you provide on computer systems that have limited access and are in controlled facilities." These statements harmonize well with what I just read online as the latest edition of Microsoft official Windows 10 privacy statements ("Windows 10 and your online services"): "This data, collectively called 'telemetry', can also help us understand gaps in our services so we can help people use Windows more effectively...We use tiny samples of your typing and handwriting info to improve our dictionaries and handwriting recognition...when you turn on typing, inking and speech data.." It appears to me (from their own statements in the context of the continuing discussion of the matter) that Microsoft is not denying that they have access to any and all data on any device, including a personal computer, that is running Windows 10 (noted that they are assuring us that they won't misuse that access). I do see reports online (for example InfoWorld Aug 13, 2015, quoting Peter Bright from Ars Technica) that, for example, even with OneDrive disabled and use of a local account login the telemetry is still making requrests to a content delivery network that bypasses proxies. I am saying that Microsoft should make all this clear, i.e., that it has moved on from the local private OS PC market so people who don't want that kind of environment can make an informed market choice, not have the thing inserted on their computer or forced on them through the cooperation of PC OEM's. Microsoft enjoyed monopoly power over the years because they convinced the government that they would self-restrain themselves and were providing a stable platform for a very large and important business sector. If they have moved to a new model, the software as a service and the same expectation of privacy as a
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Paragraphs man... think about it.
Jeremy Falcon
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Ancient Zygote wrote:
Windows 10 privacy statement clearly states ... that Microsoft will have access to all of a user's data on the host computer, e.g., folders, documents, etc., and will use it more or less as they see fit
Really? Where? I can't see anything obvious in the Microsoft Privacy Statement[^] or the Windows 10 privacy FAQ[^]. Even on Reddit[^], they accept that the single reference to accessing private folders refers only to content stored in OneDrive, not files stored on your local computer - as confirmed by MS support[^]. As an aside, you might want to invest in a new keyboard; one where the "Return" key isn't broken! ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Privacy; Consent to Use of Data.
Your privacy is important to us. ... By accepting this agreement and using the software you agree that Microsoft may collect, use, and disclose the information as described in the Microsoft Privacy Statement...
Microsoft Privacy Statement[^] In the language of lawyers (I asked two) it means that you are agree that Microsoft collect and use data from your computer in any way likes...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I don't think I'm making any assumptions, I'm simply reading what Microsoft and some who have looked ath their statements and examined the operating system environment of Windows 10 have said. In particular: "We will acess, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of our services." That quote was from a Computerworld Aug, 4, 2015 article "Microsoft responds to Windows 10 privacy policy concerns." Microsoft added (in direct communication with the author of that article) "...we store the personal information you provide on computer systems that have limited access and are in controlled facilities." These statements harmonize well with what I just read online as the latest edition of Microsoft official Windows 10 privacy statements ("Windows 10 and your online services"): "This data, collectively called 'telemetry', can also help us understand gaps in our services so we can help people use Windows more effectively...We use tiny samples of your typing and handwriting info to improve our dictionaries and handwriting recognition...when you turn on typing, inking and speech data.." It appears to me (from their own statements in the context of the continuing discussion of the matter) that Microsoft is not denying that they have access to any and all data on any device, including a personal computer, that is running Windows 10 (noted that they are assuring us that they won't misuse that access). I do see reports online (for example InfoWorld Aug 13, 2015, quoting Peter Bright from Ars Technica) that, for example, even with OneDrive disabled and use of a local account login the telemetry is still making requrests to a content delivery network that bypasses proxies. I am saying that Microsoft should make all this clear, i.e., that it has moved on from the local private OS PC market so people who don't want that kind of environment can make an informed market choice, not have the thing inserted on their computer or forced on them through the cooperation of PC OEM's. Microsoft enjoyed monopoly power over the years because they convinced the government that they would self-restrain themselves and were providing a stable platform for a very large and important business sector. If they have moved to a new model, the software as a service and the same expectation of privacy as a
I see your point and I will do the same for now (as long as it is not crystal clear what they do under the hood). Stick to Win7 to the bitter end and try to learn linux properly in the meanwhile.
Ancient Zygote wrote:
why can't Bill see fit to lock Windows into a stable platform and open API at minimum (say Windows 7 or previous)? This would give tremendous openings to many developers to write new and innovative applicatons for a stable well known PC platform. OpenOffice for one is an excellent Office substitute---think what else could be developed.
Exactly because of that. OpenOffice give MS no benefits. And at the end MS is a benefit oriented company and not a ONG
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Privacy; Consent to Use of Data.
Your privacy is important to us. ... By accepting this agreement and using the software you agree that Microsoft may collect, use, and disclose the information as described in the Microsoft Privacy Statement...
Microsoft Privacy Statement[^] In the language of lawyers (I asked two) it means that you are agree that Microsoft collect and use data from your computer in any way likes...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Microsoft collect and use data from your computer in any way likes...
I'd get a new lawyer if I were you. :) The statement you quoted clearly refers to "the information as described in the Microsoft Privacy Statement". That doesn't mean absolutely anything they want to collect; if it's not described in the privacy statement, it's not covered. And as for "in any way it likes", the privacy statement clearly sets out the ways they'll use the data they collect. If it actually meant they could do what they like with your data, they'd be facing class action lawsuits by now. That's not to say they can't take all of your data and do what they like with it; that's just not what the privacy statement says.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
Microsoft collect and use data from your computer in any way likes...
I'd get a new lawyer if I were you. :) The statement you quoted clearly refers to "the information as described in the Microsoft Privacy Statement". That doesn't mean absolutely anything they want to collect; if it's not described in the privacy statement, it's not covered. And as for "in any way it likes", the privacy statement clearly sets out the ways they'll use the data they collect. If it actually meant they could do what they like with your data, they'd be facing class action lawsuits by now. That's not to say they can't take all of your data and do what they like with it; that's just not what the privacy statement says.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Wrong...It is true that the privacy statement referenced, but not included, and for that it can be changed whenever Microsoft want's and you still obliged to it... More of it...In the next update Microsoft can add a new 'feature' that collects data from your computer without any acknowledge from your part...As long as there is an 'off' switch for the feature somewhere in the system Microsoft covered (even you do not know of it)... Believe these lawyers - they are the dirtiest mind around...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Wrong...It is true that the privacy statement referenced, but not included, and for that it can be changed whenever Microsoft want's and you still obliged to it... More of it...In the next update Microsoft can add a new 'feature' that collects data from your computer without any acknowledge from your part...As long as there is an 'off' switch for the feature somewhere in the system Microsoft covered (even you do not know of it)... Believe these lawyers - they are the dirtiest mind around...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Yes, they could change the privacy policy in the future. But that doesn't mean that the privacy policy as currently worded gives them carte-blanche to collect whatever they want from your system and use it however they want. Next week, they could decide to update their privacy policy to say that you agree to give them your first born child. That doesn't mean they're coming to collect your baby today. And AFAIK, in most legal systems, one party cannot make and enforce unilateral changes to a contract without consent from the other party.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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I don't think I'm making any assumptions, I'm simply reading what Microsoft and some who have looked ath their statements and examined the operating system environment of Windows 10 have said. In particular: "We will acess, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of our services." That quote was from a Computerworld Aug, 4, 2015 article "Microsoft responds to Windows 10 privacy policy concerns." Microsoft added (in direct communication with the author of that article) "...we store the personal information you provide on computer systems that have limited access and are in controlled facilities." These statements harmonize well with what I just read online as the latest edition of Microsoft official Windows 10 privacy statements ("Windows 10 and your online services"): "This data, collectively called 'telemetry', can also help us understand gaps in our services so we can help people use Windows more effectively...We use tiny samples of your typing and handwriting info to improve our dictionaries and handwriting recognition...when you turn on typing, inking and speech data.." It appears to me (from their own statements in the context of the continuing discussion of the matter) that Microsoft is not denying that they have access to any and all data on any device, including a personal computer, that is running Windows 10 (noted that they are assuring us that they won't misuse that access). I do see reports online (for example InfoWorld Aug 13, 2015, quoting Peter Bright from Ars Technica) that, for example, even with OneDrive disabled and use of a local account login the telemetry is still making requrests to a content delivery network that bypasses proxies. I am saying that Microsoft should make all this clear, i.e., that it has moved on from the local private OS PC market so people who don't want that kind of environment can make an informed market choice, not have the thing inserted on their computer or forced on them through the cooperation of PC OEM's. Microsoft enjoyed monopoly power over the years because they convinced the government that they would self-restrain themselves and were providing a stable platform for a very large and important business sector. If they have moved to a new model, the software as a service and the same expectation of privacy as a
Ancient Zygote wrote:
I don't think many informed consumers do
Oh, very good. Nice little barb at the end there. No matter the 150 million installations and rising. We're all 'uninformed'. Splendid! Well I'll just get back to my out of touch, ignorant, computing life and leave you and your 'informed' consumers to scrabble around trying to make a silk ear out of Linux then. That is your sponsor, I assume?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
