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  • D dan sh

    Never say this: Looking at how demanding you are, I love my wife a little more than I used to.

    "You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this goddamn clusterfuck.", BruceN[^]

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    Sander Rossel
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    If by wife you mean cat I could get behind that :laugh:

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    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

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    • L Lost User

      Aw, things like "how the elephant would you measure that" come to mind.. :rolleyes:

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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      Sander Rossel
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      Lines of code, used RAM, processor cycles...? :D

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        I don't understand the concept. If your performance isn't up to par, why should you wait 'til a yearly review to bring it up.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        • J Jorgen Andersson

          I don't understand the concept. If your performance isn't up to par, why should you wait 'til a yearly review to bring it up.

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          Sander Rossel
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          #31

          True, and I don't. I'm guessing it'll be something like "you write good code, but we'd appreciate it if you came to the office a little earlier." And then we'll talk about my salary. So I'll mostly be defending why my salary should be higher than that of our king :D

          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            True, and I don't. I'm guessing it'll be something like "you write good code, but we'd appreciate it if you came to the office a little earlier." And then we'll talk about my salary. So I'll mostly be defending why my salary should be higher than that of our king :D

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            That might turn into a discussion on whether the King is worthy of a salary at all. :)

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              Roger165
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              Do you have any metrics that you were suppose to meet? Is the company in good shape financially? If not then you maybe in for a surprise when they tell you how you haven't performed up to the expected level. Do you put your 50 hours a week in for the man? No, Then your not taking your work seriously. Is this the first performance review? A guy I worked with had all the work he did documented and would bring in a stack of paper. In the end its just a job.

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                Lost User
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                "Performance reviews" are an excuse not to provide meaningful feedback on your performance "during" the previous year. At review time, while one may think one performed well, there are any number of patterns and incidents where: a) You believed you were right because ... b) You don't remember the event c) If someone had pointed it out you could've ... d) You didn't get to air your version e) etc. One should be "reviewed" (praised / corrected) throughout the year; not once a year at a "review time". (Everyone with a dog knows there's no point reprimanding the dog more than 2 seconds after the event).

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  SeattleC
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                  Performance reviews are a ritual meant to put you in your place. Despite pretense, PRs are not objective. They are rather an annual signal about how well your manager likes you. At a really top-rate company, you'd get continuous feedback from your manager and PRs would be unneeded. At other companies, it's a chance for your manager to retaliate for anything you did to annoy them, from being late on an impossible deadline to questioning their authority by suggesting alternative ideas. They can bring up stuff that happened years ago, or focus just on stuff they remember from the last couple months. This can be frustrating, because sometimes there is useful feedback in a performance review. If you can detach, you can learn things that will help you work better with your colleagues. You can't completely blow off performance reviews. You have to take them seriously. But they're deeply, unrecoverably awful. If you are both a superstar developer and an obsequious brown-noser, your performance review will go splendidly, because that's what bosses like. Show any spirit and nine bosses out of ten will retaliate. The Japanese apparently have a saying, "The nail that sticks up, gets hammered down." Here in the US we're supposed to be a meritocracy. I've worked in meritocratic companies with very nurturing managers. But meritocracy is a weak cultural impulse. You're always at the mercy of your manager. If they hire on a pointy-haired boss (I'm talking to YOU, Charlie), that tradition of meritocratic reward can evaporate. Take a minute to get calm and detached before the review. Remind yourself not to react. Say, "Yes sir" and "Thank you sir". Don't whine to your buddies after ('cause that totally gets back to the boss). Let it out at home, where hopefully there's somebody who actually loves you. Remember, it's not about you. It's about your place in the hierarchy.

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    Got it tomorrow. As far as I know I'm performing pretty well, so I'm not worried. If anything was wrong I would've heard it by now. Still, can't hurt to ask, any tips on what (not) to say? :)

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    MikeTheFid
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                    Quote:

                    any tips on what (not) to say?

                    Don't say anything like, "I'm ambitious and hope someday to rise to your level of incompetence!"

                    Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.

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                    • L Lost User

                      "Performance reviews" are an excuse not to provide meaningful feedback on your performance "during" the previous year. At review time, while one may think one performed well, there are any number of patterns and incidents where: a) You believed you were right because ... b) You don't remember the event c) If someone had pointed it out you could've ... d) You didn't get to air your version e) etc. One should be "reviewed" (praised / corrected) throughout the year; not once a year at a "review time". (Everyone with a dog knows there's no point reprimanding the dog more than 2 seconds after the event).

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                      Sander Rossel
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                      Actually it went pretty well :D When my manager has a problem with me he likes to tell me right away, the performance review was more of a summary :) He also gives compliments where due. I've heard him say "that's awesome!" and "very nice!" and "well done!" a lot more often than bad comments :D

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                      • S SeattleC

                        Performance reviews are a ritual meant to put you in your place. Despite pretense, PRs are not objective. They are rather an annual signal about how well your manager likes you. At a really top-rate company, you'd get continuous feedback from your manager and PRs would be unneeded. At other companies, it's a chance for your manager to retaliate for anything you did to annoy them, from being late on an impossible deadline to questioning their authority by suggesting alternative ideas. They can bring up stuff that happened years ago, or focus just on stuff they remember from the last couple months. This can be frustrating, because sometimes there is useful feedback in a performance review. If you can detach, you can learn things that will help you work better with your colleagues. You can't completely blow off performance reviews. You have to take them seriously. But they're deeply, unrecoverably awful. If you are both a superstar developer and an obsequious brown-noser, your performance review will go splendidly, because that's what bosses like. Show any spirit and nine bosses out of ten will retaliate. The Japanese apparently have a saying, "The nail that sticks up, gets hammered down." Here in the US we're supposed to be a meritocracy. I've worked in meritocratic companies with very nurturing managers. But meritocracy is a weak cultural impulse. You're always at the mercy of your manager. If they hire on a pointy-haired boss (I'm talking to YOU, Charlie), that tradition of meritocratic reward can evaporate. Take a minute to get calm and detached before the review. Remind yourself not to react. Say, "Yes sir" and "Thank you sir". Don't whine to your buddies after ('cause that totally gets back to the boss). Let it out at home, where hopefully there's somebody who actually loves you. Remember, it's not about you. It's about your place in the hierarchy.

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                        Sander Rossel
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                        SeattleC++ wrote:

                        It's about your place in the hierarchy.

                        That hierarchy doesn't go very deep :) We also don't have PR or HR or whatever. It's just me, my team lead, and the general manager. My team lead (who hates the word manager) is a part of the team. The only difference between him and me is that he has more responsibility so he has the final say (and I haven't heard him say "no" to anything I've suggested in the past year). We had a really good talk. I wrote down the good things I did in the past year up front, but I didn't need my notes because he mentioned them all. I also wrote down some of my bad habits, but he didn't mention them (well, one was mentioned, but he laughed it off). I even complimented him on his openness towards ideas, changes, and his team. I guess I'm lucky to say that nothing you describe sounds familiar to me :D

                        SeattleC++ wrote:

                        Let it out at home, where hopefully there's somebody who actually loves you.

                        My cat Nika, but she only loves me when she wants food :laugh:

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        • R Roger165

                          Do you have any metrics that you were suppose to meet? Is the company in good shape financially? If not then you maybe in for a surprise when they tell you how you haven't performed up to the expected level. Do you put your 50 hours a week in for the man? No, Then your not taking your work seriously. Is this the first performance review? A guy I worked with had all the work he did documented and would bring in a stack of paper. In the end its just a job.

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          Roger165 wrote:

                          Do you have any metrics that you were suppose to meet?

                          Nope, just do my job :)

                          Roger165 wrote:

                          Is the company in good shape financially?

                          Yep :)

                          Roger165 wrote:

                          Do you put your 50 hours a week in for the man?

                          I strictly work the 40 hours I signed for unless I'm getting overtime.

                          Roger165 wrote:

                          Is this the first performance review?

                          It is for this company. All went well by the way, just as I expected :)

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          • M MikeTheFid

                            Quote:

                            any tips on what (not) to say?

                            Don't say anything like, "I'm ambitious and hope someday to rise to your level of incompetence!"

                            Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            I hope to rise to his level of salary though :D

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              Actually it went pretty well :D When my manager has a problem with me he likes to tell me right away, the performance review was more of a summary :) He also gives compliments where due. I've heard him say "that's awesome!" and "very nice!" and "well done!" a lot more often than bad comments :D

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              Lost User
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                              Good for you. Just remember that once you're the "boss".

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                                Good for you. Just remember that once you're the "boss".

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                                Sander Rossel
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                                I don't get it. The job of a boss, manager, lead, whatever you call it, is to get the best out of his people. All I'm getting here is that they make your life miserable, always acting upon the first change they get to get you. Are managers really that bad at managing?

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                  I don't get it. The job of a boss, manager, lead, whatever you call it, is to get the best out of his people. All I'm getting here is that they make your life miserable, always acting upon the first change they get to get you. Are managers really that bad at managing?

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                  Managers are only "good" or "bad" if one has experienced both. Some of us have.

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    You seem pretty pessimistic :laugh: Our company is basically a general manager -> team leads (4) -> team members (of which I am one). So tomorrow I'm sitting down with my team lead and the general manager. I know the general manager a little bit, sometimes I talk to him at the coffee machine or some such. My team lead is a really good guy, so I'm pretty positive :) It's my first performance review with this company though.

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    draghu
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                                    You say so many good things about your team/management. Wondering why you posted this? and what was your expectation from the members !!

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                                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                      If by wife you mean cat I could get behind that :laugh:

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      sibling123
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                                      Hey Phrasing! ;P

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                                        Hey Phrasing! ;P

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                                        Sander Rossel
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                                        Whoops... :-O

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                                        • D draghu

                                          You say so many good things about your team/management. Wondering why you posted this? and what was your expectation from the members !!

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                                          Sander Rossel
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                                          I may have a good manager some rules of communication still apply. If I can make myself look better by (not) saying certain things I'd be happy to know. It's sad to see so many people have bad managers. Of course it could be expected. I have this theory that 99% of the people are a bunch of bunglers (no offence) so that also means 99% of the managers.

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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