Starbucks coffee is an affront to all things good about coffee
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Same applies to McDonalds and Hamburgers. ...or Budweiser and beer. It's not meant to be/taste good, but to standardise. It's a brand; nothing more and nothing less.
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cheers Chris Maunder
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cheers Chris Maunder
What's to discuss. vote with your wallet, don't go there. When i have to have (rarely) coffee and there's nothing else in the area, than a SB, then I just get a simple expresso or a small latte.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Taste is not even part of the equation.
Surprisingly, this is designed in. Starbucks use reverse osmosis filters to remove all minerals (and impurities) from the local water, to make it all the same. And that badly affects the taste of coffee: Secret to perfect cup of coffee lies in the quality of the water researchers say - Telegraph[^] If you want coffee to taste good, you need a water high in magnesium!
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I'm giving you a flat look for sending me research published in a British newspaper about coffee. Britian and coffee is like Australia and drizzly days: we just can't quite get it right. I would put to the jury that the secret of a good cup of coffee is to start with good coffee
cheers Chris Maunder
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Last one closed in 2003 here... As today - after a hit of the 5 NIS coffee campaign - you can buy a very good coffee (according those drink that stuff) for about $1.3...How much Starbucks cost?
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Cost of coffee varies, depending upon location (rent surely rolled in - cost of living, maybe). From what I've observed, the real cost of coffee, not 'a cup', but comparing true volume:volume is pretty much the same at Starbucks as elsewhere. That not taking into account that the amount of coffee per unit volume is so much higher at Starbucks than the 'bargain' coffee (Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, etc.). Compared to a local coffee shop in my 'town', at Starbucks, the cost is slightly lower, the beverage volume larger, and the service better (this last one can be untrue during local special events and beautiful summer beach weekends). Israel is heavily laden with coffee-production locations that produce real coffee - it would be hard, indeed, to compete. Everyplace seems to produce coffee on a per-cup basis. I was even looking for some on an Egged bus.
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What's to discuss. vote with your wallet, don't go there. When i have to have (rarely) coffee and there's nothing else in the area, than a SB, then I just get a simple expresso or a small latte.
I'd rather be phishing!
It was 5AM and I needed a coffee and he only option in this establishment was Starbucks. It's unconscionable. But yes: your strategy is sound. My mistake was that instead of grabbing a macchiato I went for a latte and it all went downhill from there. Michael Martin can attest to the dangers of a latte.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I'm giving you a flat look for sending me research published in a British newspaper about coffee. Britian and coffee is like Australia and drizzly days: we just can't quite get it right. I would put to the jury that the secret of a good cup of coffee is to start with good coffee
cheers Chris Maunder
Start with good coffee, and a good roast (and a barista who knows how to roast): Absolutely! But the water is critical as well. Too pure, and it's too inert to take up the coffee oils properly; too many minerals and it deforms or masks the actual flavour. Then there is the cleanliness of the equipment, the grind, the age, the packaging, ... it's delicate and complicated stuff, coffee. Just like wine really - one mistake and you have grape vinegar. Get it right...and you have Chateau d'Yquem 1787. :-D
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What exactly do you not like about them? I like their coffee, but not the foo-foo drinks.
In all seriousness, and with respect to the company as a whole (their branding, their social efforts, their consistency etc etc) I find the coffee weak and bitter. North America seems to have a fascination with coffee bean cremation. Even local cafes in Toronto often start out smooth, full bodied, and with an excellent aftertaste, and then soon enough the roast turns darker and more bitter until you're back to the norm: a coffee that has the subtlety burned out of it. The other issue is that they never seem to be able to get a decent microfosm going. Get it right and it makes the coffee smoother and sweeter. Instead they scorch the milk and break down the goodness. It really makes a huge difference. (Caveat here is I'm talking about espresso based drinks, not the coffee-through-a-wet-rag filter coffee. )
cheers Chris Maunder
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Start with good coffee, and a good roast (and a barista who knows how to roast): Absolutely! But the water is critical as well. Too pure, and it's too inert to take up the coffee oils properly; too many minerals and it deforms or masks the actual flavour. Then there is the cleanliness of the equipment, the grind, the age, the packaging, ... it's delicate and complicated stuff, coffee. Just like wine really - one mistake and you have grape vinegar. Get it right...and you have Chateau d'Yquem 1787. :-D
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I think some of the beans I had this morning were from 1787.
cheers Chris Maunder
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It was 5AM and I needed a coffee and he only option in this establishment was Starbucks. It's unconscionable. But yes: your strategy is sound. My mistake was that instead of grabbing a macchiato I went for a latte and it all went downhill from there. Michael Martin can attest to the dangers of a latte.
cheers Chris Maunder
Explains your ire a bit: you didn't get coffee - you got a beverage that contained coffee. Putting that much milk into coffee is guaranteed to ruin its taste (even if it went through the digestive track of a civet cat[^]).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Discuss.
cheers Chris Maunder
Overall I dislike coffee shops so I cant throw shit at Starbucks only. For me coffee should be served black, maybe some sugar if its late in the day. The majority of what the coffee shops sell in my area isn't coffee but milk with flavor. Different lattes or frappuccinos or cappuccinos that's so creamy you might as well just put your cup straight to a cow udder. On top of this its overpriced and all their other gods are also overpriced. My wife loves going to Espresso House but I hate it, mostly because I hate buying overpriced crap. I cant fanthom how so many people can visit these places so regularly because the thought that going to one of them even once a week is sickening to me. For the price of one visit with me and my wife with a drink each and some miniscule small cookie that costs an arm and a leg I can buy enough snacks at a normal store or bakery to last several times over. This subject really got me in rant mode. :sigh:
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Explains your ire a bit: you didn't get coffee - you got a beverage that contained coffee. Putting that much milk into coffee is guaranteed to ruin its taste (even if it went through the digestive track of a civet cat[^]).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Exactly. Coffee flavoured beverage. Where's a civet cat when I need one.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I drink my coffee at home in "turkish style". It means a tea spoon of milled coffee beans with hot water.:java: So a coffee pot costs me about 5 cent per pot. :cool:
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At home (and one of the two offices where I allegedly work): Me Too! It doesn't get any fresher.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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In all seriousness, and with respect to the company as a whole (their branding, their social efforts, their consistency etc etc) I find the coffee weak and bitter. North America seems to have a fascination with coffee bean cremation. Even local cafes in Toronto often start out smooth, full bodied, and with an excellent aftertaste, and then soon enough the roast turns darker and more bitter until you're back to the norm: a coffee that has the subtlety burned out of it. The other issue is that they never seem to be able to get a decent microfosm going. Get it right and it makes the coffee smoother and sweeter. Instead they scorch the milk and break down the goodness. It really makes a huge difference. (Caveat here is I'm talking about espresso based drinks, not the coffee-through-a-wet-rag filter coffee. )
cheers Chris Maunder
I see. My sophistication in such matters, is lacking. :-O
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I'm giving you a flat look for sending me research published in a British newspaper about coffee. Britian and coffee is like Australia and drizzly days: we just can't quite get it right. I would put to the jury that the secret of a good cup of coffee is to start with good coffee
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
Britian and coffee
Compared to the dishwater I have been served in the good ol' USA, I will go for coffee here any day. However, I never go into Starbucks, Costa or any of those places, so my experience is coffee at home or in a restaurant; both of which I find quite satisfying.
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cheers Chris Maunder
I've said it before and I'll say it again, going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex!
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I'm giving you a flat look for sending me research published in a British newspaper about coffee. Britian and coffee is like Australia and drizzly days: we just can't quite get it right. I would put to the jury that the secret of a good cup of coffee is to start with good coffee
cheers Chris Maunder
I can't vouch for Canadia, but last time I was in Merca I went for an emergency heart starter at around 6am before a 500 mile trip. "Double shot, strong as fuelephant!" I request. "D'ya wana decaf?" drawls Doofus T Buck-Frain. It's 6 o'clock in the morning and the eejit is asking if I want decaf!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex!
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How long were you in prison?
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cheers Chris Maunder
I go for starbucks now and then, when i get into a bigger town i enjoy a cappuccino toffee and i like it. But i won't go there regularly, too many hipsters, in this case i prefer good ol coffee or sometimes a fine one from switzerland or italy.
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I disagree. Apple (hardware) products are very, very well designed. Their phone works well as a phone. Their laptops work extremely well as laptops. Their music players shaped what we came to expect from a music player. Starbucks coffee isn't, as far as I can tell, actual coffee. It doesn't actually fulfil its basic purpose. I think people go for Apple because they like the design, the ecosystem, the simplicity (we can argue about this later) and the cache that comes with Apple products. I think people go for Starbucks because of laziness, ignorance, convenience, or because there's no other choice. There are also those who treat Starbucks as a caffeine delivery system: give me a bigun' and I'll plug 'er in and I'm good. Taste is not even part of the equation. This makes me sad.
cheers Chris Maunder
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This. This is the part you shall not miss. Well done.
