Starbucks coffee is an affront to all things good about coffee
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The discussion is about he coffee, not the social responsibility or consistency. Consistently bad and catering to the lowest common denominator are awful things we need to avoid. Life is more exciting with a little inconsistency! Besides, at 5am in the morning I'd probably buy from someone using baby seals as seat cushions if the coffee was good enough. Sure, I'd feel _terrible later on, but the coffee would get me through those bad moments.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Catering to the lowest common denominator is a way to insure safe mediocrity.* Consistency doesn't imply the LCD. Example: an organization I belong to arranged some early morning rehearsal for an event and supplied Coffee & Donuts from Dunkin' Donuts (These are individually owned franchises). The majority of the time the coffee was lousy and weak. Going to the idea of a local coffee house that near my home (frequented mostly by Mrs. Wife): I've found the coffee, which they roast themselves (serious about their coffee) sometimes well under par. I couldn't honestly say it was ever better than Starbucks: just a closer walk. We don't disagree about good vs. bad coffee (and I truly despise weak coffee) - but Starbucks has become some sort of whipping boy. Maybe because it's a successful American company. One thing about the remainder of my previous rant: I took you literally when you said "all things good about coffee" - thus my broad-band response * I once saw something called "Hamburger, the Motion Picture[^]": one of the comments in the movie was addressing why people eat the stuff when they really don't like it that much. The reply was that they felt comfortable knowing what to expect and would rather be comfortable than taking a chance on getting something great with no guarantee they'd like what they tried. It's similar in the Former Soviet Union (a/k/a Russian Federation): The people were very uncomfortable, as a whole, with no one telling them what to do. Hence, Putin.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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How to make Turkish Coffee with detailed instructions[^] Sounds a little more than just milled coffee with hot water, unless you were being high-level in your explanation.
This stuff is usually referred to (at least when I've heard of it) as Israeli Mud Coffee. The mud is the tie in with Turkish coffee. You want the beans ground that fine so that they form a firm cake at the bottom. Improves drinkability, especially to newcomers to the practice.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Catering to the lowest common denominator is a way to insure safe mediocrity.* Consistency doesn't imply the LCD. Example: an organization I belong to arranged some early morning rehearsal for an event and supplied Coffee & Donuts from Dunkin' Donuts (These are individually owned franchises). The majority of the time the coffee was lousy and weak. Going to the idea of a local coffee house that near my home (frequented mostly by Mrs. Wife): I've found the coffee, which they roast themselves (serious about their coffee) sometimes well under par. I couldn't honestly say it was ever better than Starbucks: just a closer walk. We don't disagree about good vs. bad coffee (and I truly despise weak coffee) - but Starbucks has become some sort of whipping boy. Maybe because it's a successful American company. One thing about the remainder of my previous rant: I took you literally when you said "all things good about coffee" - thus my broad-band response * I once saw something called "Hamburger, the Motion Picture[^]": one of the comments in the movie was addressing why people eat the stuff when they really don't like it that much. The reply was that they felt comfortable knowing what to expect and would rather be comfortable than taking a chance on getting something great with no guarantee they'd like what they tried. It's similar in the Former Soviet Union (a/k/a Russian Federation): The people were very uncomfortable, as a whole, with no one telling them what to do. Hence, Putin.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I agree consistency doesn't mean LCD. It seems to head that way, though. And Dunkin' Donuts? Mate. That's wrong. (Except my sister is addicted to coffee from that place. She's in rehab as we speak)
cheers Chris Maunder
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I go for starbucks now and then, when i get into a bigger town i enjoy a cappuccino toffee and i like it. But i won't go there regularly, too many hipsters, in this case i prefer good ol coffee or sometimes a fine one from switzerland or italy.
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}Hipsters? Interesting. It must be a regional thing. Here, the place is frequented by (not simultaneously) mother-groups that meet their with their small children, drink coffee, and gossip. Occasional couples on a try-out sort of date (online based rendezvous?), some regulars that live nearby and use it as a hangout (smallish number), but predominantly people studying. Comfort and caffeine - how can you go wrong?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Whether Apple products are well designed or not, people buy it for the coolness factor. Same with Starbucks, you've gotta get your coffee from Starbucks or else risk looking cheap.
Regards, Nish
Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do. Must be amazing to be clairvoyant. :rolleyes:
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do. Must be amazing to be clairvoyant. :rolleyes:
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do. Must be amazing to be clairvoyant.
It's not clairvoyance. I have engaged in conversations with Apple product owners, many of whom are close friends/family, and not once have I heard a reason convincing enough for me to think that they were making informed decisions.
Regards, Nish
Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Starbucks' flavored beverages can contain up to 25 teaspoons of sugar per serving, points out a new report by an advocacy group called Action on Sugar. While the assessment was done on drinks in the United Kingdom, many of the numbers are pretty similar here in the states. In nutritional label terms, 25 teaspoons is 125 grams of sugar. To put that in perspective, a 12-ounce can of Coca-Cola has 33 grams of sugar. Put yet another way, 125 grams is about 12 and a half Krispy Kreme donuts. (Huffington Post) Marc
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Curious that they didn't mention which beverage was at-fault. They give themselves the title, on their own website, of Specialists - whatever that means only they know. First - I drink my coffee neet. I lost my taste for sugar in coffee rather abruptly and unexpectedly. Sweeth-tooth of youth evolved to salty and then 'artistisinally spicy'. I'm very leery of these public attention-getters - like the major hype against high-fructose corn sweeteners (brought to you by the cane sugar industry!). Fructose is converted extremely rapidly to glucose (once eaten) - and glucose is the only sugar your body really metabolizes. Even the cane sugar (a disaccharide) is broken down into glucose. Probably begins in your stomach (see Invert Sugar, used long ago). Fructose is sweater than sugar. The real bottom line with these expositions of what is good/bad for you are generally warped/hyped. Some people have cilleac disease and should avoid gluten. The massive industry for gluten-free, at this point, is a sucker's market. Gluten is what kept the human race alive for thousands of years: the primary source of protein, usually via wheat. On the bright side, life's gotten easier for the cilleac people who really need to be careful, so all is not lost. But seriously, when a claim is made so lacking in any content one wonders what was done to measure the value (or perhaps it was an estimate?). One can keep adding all sorts of sugary content to a Starbucks beverage to get the content up arbitrarily high. A cup of coffee still has none.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Discuss.
cheers Chris Maunder
Well if you consider what the alternatives were on your side of the pond when Starbucks came around. Mostly water damaged grey filth, with very few exceptions. In comparison I have to say that a cappuccino from Starbucks is fully acceptable. The fact that they are mostly selling overpriced coffee flavoured sugarbombs is completely beside the point. I believe Starbucks can take a lot credit for the fact that there actually exists a bit of coffee culture in the US nowadays as opposed to bacteria culture.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
I love it how people who don't buy Apple products always seem to know exactly why others do. Must be amazing to be clairvoyant.
It's not clairvoyance. I have engaged in conversations with Apple product owners, many of whom are close friends/family, and not once have I heard a reason convincing enough for me to think that they were making informed decisions.
Regards, Nish
Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
OK... :~ ...by that standard the conversations I've had with Android users would indicate that most of them are bottom-feeders who want a big smart phone to impress their second cousin and want the cheapest thing on the market despite the fact that it has a 3 year old OS riddled with security holes. Fair?
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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OK... :~ ...by that standard the conversations I've had with Android users would indicate that most of them are bottom-feeders who want a big smart phone to impress their second cousin and want the cheapest thing on the market despite the fact that it has a 3 year old OS riddled with security holes. Fair?
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
Not sure how you are interpreting me here. I am not saying Apple products are bad. I am not saying they are good either. What I am saying is that, based on my experience, a large number of people buy Apple products for reasons outside hardware quality and software stability.
Regards, Nish
Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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Not sure how you are interpreting me here. I am not saying Apple products are bad. I am not saying they are good either. What I am saying is that, based on my experience, a large number of people buy Apple products for reasons outside hardware quality and software stability.
Regards, Nish
Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
I'm interpreting you exactly as you state your intention. I just don't have the same experience and I actually doubt you're being honest with yourself. My comment about Android users was 1) an attempt at humor and 2) based on similar stereotypical media BS that I believe shades your opinion on why people choose Apple products.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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I'm interpreting you exactly as you state your intention. I just don't have the same experience and I actually doubt you're being honest with yourself. My comment about Android users was 1) an attempt at humor and 2) based on similar stereotypical media BS that I believe shades your opinion on why people choose Apple products.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I just don't have the same experience and I actually doubt you're being honest with yourself.
Well, then I think it's pointless for me to waste time trying to reply to you as to my rationale.
Regards, Nish
Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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I see. My sophistication in such matters, is lacking. :-O
Slacker007 wrote:
My sophistication in such matters, is lacking
Welcome to the club. I find the whole discussion rather amusing. Coffee is a brown non-carbonated drink with a small amount of sweetener and milk added, required for my brain to start up in the morning. I've had coffee that tasted like each bean was quietly coaxed into releasing its flavor by the gentle hands of a virgin living on a mountaintop. I've also had coffee that tasted like it had been used as motor oil in a 1947 Buick. In both cases my powers of discrimination are at a minimum when I'm drinking it, so the subtleties are lost.
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Slacker007 wrote:
My sophistication in such matters, is lacking
Welcome to the club. I find the whole discussion rather amusing. Coffee is a brown non-carbonated drink with a small amount of sweetener and milk added, required for my brain to start up in the morning. I've had coffee that tasted like each bean was quietly coaxed into releasing its flavor by the gentle hands of a virgin living on a mountaintop. I've also had coffee that tasted like it had been used as motor oil in a 1947 Buick. In both cases my powers of discrimination are at a minimum when I'm drinking it, so the subtleties are lost.
Software Zen:
delete this;Well said, on so many levels. :thumbsup:
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
I just don't have the same experience and I actually doubt you're being honest with yourself.
Well, then I think it's pointless for me to waste time trying to reply to you as to my rationale.
Regards, Nish
Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
Well Played! I was about to reply to one of his posts "But Nish is right". Saved me the cost of a post.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I disagree. I buy apple products because the hardware is so nice and because of the ecosystem. [Edit: and I'm happy with the fact that the FBI can't crack my phone] I'm cool enough already. I live in Toronto.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
[Edit: and I'm happy with the fact that the FBI can't crack my phone]
But what about Apple's grabbing info about you? You can shut some of the spying down if you can find it - or at least they tell you that you can disable it. Why would they mislead anyone? Oddly, the FBI is probably the least of the concerns you should have about having your privacy invaded. Most everyone else doesn't have a rule book with at least some accountability.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Chris Maunder wrote:
[Edit: and I'm happy with the fact that the FBI can't crack my phone]
But what about Apple's grabbing info about you? You can shut some of the spying down if you can find it - or at least they tell you that you can disable it. Why would they mislead anyone? Oddly, the FBI is probably the least of the concerns you should have about having your privacy invaded. Most everyone else doesn't have a rule book with at least some accountability.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Bingo! ;)
cheers Chris Maunder
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Hipsters? Interesting. It must be a regional thing. Here, the place is frequented by (not simultaneously) mother-groups that meet their with their small children, drink coffee, and gossip. Occasional couples on a try-out sort of date (online based rendezvous?), some regulars that live nearby and use it as a hangout (smallish number), but predominantly people studying. Comfort and caffeine - how can you go wrong?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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But if that widget gave you an electric shock every time you used it would you get another? Unless, of course, that was the only widget you could find and you needed one NOW, dammit! NOW!! That's how I see Starbucks. Taking advantage of my habit and shocking me in the process.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris certainly started a good discussion! A friend with Italian parents remarked that Starbucks has branches in almost every country in the world except Italy, where coffee was first introduced in Europe. They didn't want to open a café in a country where proper coffee is made. It's only very recently that Starbucks has dared to open a café in Milan Jerry
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Discuss.
cheers Chris Maunder