Apple wants the FBI to reveal how it hacked the San Bernardino killer's iPhone
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Apple Inc. refused to give the FBI software the agency desperately wanted. Now Apple is the one that needs the FBI's assistance. The FBI announced Monday that it managed to unlock an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters without the help of Apple. And the agency has shown no interest in telling Apple how it skirted the phone's security features, leaving the tech giant guessing about a vulnerability that could compromise millions of devices.
We haven't heard the end of this fight just yet!
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Apple Inc. refused to give the FBI software the agency desperately wanted. Now Apple is the one that needs the FBI's assistance. The FBI announced Monday that it managed to unlock an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters without the help of Apple. And the agency has shown no interest in telling Apple how it skirted the phone's security features, leaving the tech giant guessing about a vulnerability that could compromise millions of devices.
We haven't heard the end of this fight just yet!
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Apple Inc. refused to give the FBI software the agency desperately wanted. Now Apple is the one that needs the FBI's assistance. The FBI announced Monday that it managed to unlock an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters without the help of Apple. And the agency has shown no interest in telling Apple how it skirted the phone's security features, leaving the tech giant guessing about a vulnerability that could compromise millions of devices.
We haven't heard the end of this fight just yet!
Apple doesn't need the FBIs assistance. All they need to do is post a sizeable bounty for anyone that can crack their security. Once they find out how it's done, they can redesign it. Problem solved, and f*ck the FBI.
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Apple Inc. refused to give the FBI software the agency desperately wanted. Now Apple is the one that needs the FBI's assistance. The FBI announced Monday that it managed to unlock an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters without the help of Apple. And the agency has shown no interest in telling Apple how it skirted the phone's security features, leaving the tech giant guessing about a vulnerability that could compromise millions of devices.
We haven't heard the end of this fight just yet!
Nice thread title. :rolleyes: Except of course there is no report or quote that indicates Apple has even asked the FBI. Nor is there anything in the article that indicates that the FBI wouldn't provide it if asked. 0) I suspect Apple has at least a couple guesses. 1) Given the recent past I seriously doubt Apple would ask the FBI. 2) Likewise I seriously doubt the FBI would (or should) tell them. 3) I think there is a decent chance that the Feds are lying about the crack.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Apple Inc. refused to give the FBI software the agency desperately wanted. Now Apple is the one that needs the FBI's assistance. The FBI announced Monday that it managed to unlock an iPhone 5c belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters without the help of Apple. And the agency has shown no interest in telling Apple how it skirted the phone's security features, leaving the tech giant guessing about a vulnerability that could compromise millions of devices.
We haven't heard the end of this fight just yet!
My guess is they put together clues and did a brute force on it. For instance, if you save you passwords in your web browser on your PC, you can look at the passwords; such as Firefox. If the passwords are similar or the same, then you've got a pretty good chance out of 10 to guess the right one.
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Nice thread title. :rolleyes: Except of course there is no report or quote that indicates Apple has even asked the FBI. Nor is there anything in the article that indicates that the FBI wouldn't provide it if asked. 0) I suspect Apple has at least a couple guesses. 1) Given the recent past I seriously doubt Apple would ask the FBI. 2) Likewise I seriously doubt the FBI would (or should) tell them. 3) I think there is a decent chance that the Feds are lying about the crack.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I think there is a decent chance that the Feds are lying about the crack.
Why would they do that? :confused: If they really haven't cracked it why drop the case?
Kevin
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Apple doesn't need the FBIs assistance. All they need to do is post a sizeable bounty for anyone that can crack their security. Once they find out how it's done, they can redesign it. Problem solved, and f*ck the FBI.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013If the data is on a remote and protected server, there would be little use in hacking the phones' hardware. I assume it is about a backup on the Apple-network, because if the data was on the phone it could be retrieved. I'm guessing the FBI wants to save face - we're still waiting for any explanation on "how" they cracked the phone :)
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
I think there is a decent chance that the Feds are lying about the crack.
Why would they do that? :confused: If they really haven't cracked it why drop the case?
Kevin
First of all, they were starting to lose in the court of public opinion. After playing the "terrorism" card and claiming this was a one time request the Feds had public support, but as reality set in and the media actually started reporting opposing opinions things shifted and they lost public support (in the US at least). Secondly, a majority of legal and constitutional scholars predicted a win in actual court by Apple which sets the wrong precedent as far as the Feds are concerned. Thirdly, others in the federal government pointed out that many federal employees use iPhones and by creating such a hack (that will eventually leak to other governments and hackers) the Feds were shooting themselves in the foot over the long haul. Lastly, they might have finally realized that any 4 month old data that might exist on this phone is likely worthless. Better to claim they hacked it and save their legal challenges for another day or another victim.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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If the data is on a remote and protected server, there would be little use in hacking the phones' hardware. I assume it is about a backup on the Apple-network, because if the data was on the phone it could be retrieved. I'm guessing the FBI wants to save face - we're still waiting for any explanation on "how" they cracked the phone :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
The entire "you must pwn the phone for us" cluster elephant was triggered when a retard at the FBI ordered the icloud password be changed; preventing the phone from being forced into backing itself up to the cloud where they could pillage the data. At the same time they began to back down in court, the FBI paid an Israeli computer forensics company about $20k for unspecified services. Odds are pretty good that company has a zeroday that can execute on a locked phone over USB.
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