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    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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    Mark_Wallace
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    Do you pay a "wu mao" or two? Two upvotes for that looks very much like sock-puppetry, given that the person you replied to didn't get an upvote for actually saying what you only gave a thumbs-up to.

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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      Ransomeware got into the place I work. The IT server group got called in and spent the night. In the morning, almost everything was restored from the backups.* I was unaffected: I (and the other developers) have a box and were not in the forest when the fire broke out. I've had fear of attack since the 80's. For the hell of it, I keep my (home) NAS offline much of the time. Sounds crazy, but it's become storage central (do they call that a personal cloud these days). All goodies survived super storm Sandy on it's raid-1 drives, and I only lost the computers. Much easier to replace. Except for the every-increasing cost of good aluminum foil, paranoia has its perks.

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      Lost User
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      Quote:

      paranoia has its perks

      As far as data and computer safety is concerned: Oh yes! Paranoia serves its purpose. :-D

      Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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      • G GuyThiebaut

        No, I do take images but they could be done more regularly. I checked my spreadsheet detailing which drives get imaged and when they were last imaged. My C drive was last imaged in November last year so I thought it would be a very good idea to create another image.

        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

        ― Christopher Hitchens

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        dandy72
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        November? :-) I get annoyed at myself when the time I last did a backup gets counted in weeks.

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        • M Mark_Wallace

          Do you pay a "wu mao" or two? Two upvotes for that looks very much like sock-puppetry, given that the person you replied to didn't get an upvote for actually saying what you only gave a thumbs-up to.

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          Lost User
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          I've been wondering about those upvotes myself? I've had nothing to do with it. It's not the first time I see phantom upvotes. :)

          Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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          • M Mark_Wallace

            Do you pay a "wu mao" or two? Two upvotes for that looks very much like sock-puppetry, given that the person you replied to didn't get an upvote for actually saying what you only gave a thumbs-up to.

            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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            Lost User
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            Oh stoppit!

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              Kidding, right? My back-up routine falls under the military category "Mutual Support", with files flying in every direction, from every machine to every machine, in perfectly-timed relays. It's better planned than the bus services in most cities. I could lose two-thirds of the machines on my network without losing a file, and would only lose any important files if all the devices failed at the same time as the Internet was switched off forever. But I'm still not so stupid as to open e-mails from people I don't know, and will only open attachments to e-mails if the person has told me in advance (through a medium other than e-mail) that he's sending me an e-mail with an attachment.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              ledtech3
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              Some of the Rasnsomware also encrypts connected and network devices too. Like Cloud Backups.

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              • L ledtech3

                Some of the Rasnsomware also encrypts connected and network devices too. Like Cloud Backups.

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                Mark_Wallace
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                Oh Golly! Do you mean that I'm going to have to stop opening attachments in e-mails from people I don't know, and stop clicking every link I see?!? How awful!

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                • L Lost User

                  I've been wondering about those upvotes myself? I've had nothing to do with it. It's not the first time I see phantom upvotes. :)

                  Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                  Mark_Wallace
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                  ... Aaaand even that gets an upvote.

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  • M Mark_Wallace

                    ... Aaaand even that gets an upvote.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    Lost User
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                    This is getting ridiculous! :|

                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                    • M Mark_Wallace

                      Oh Golly! Do you mean that I'm going to have to stop opening attachments in e-mails from people I don't know, and stop clicking every link I see?!? How awful!

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      ledtech3
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                      You can also get hit in a "watering hole attack" Just by going to a site you normally do and trust "If" it gets compromised. You don't have to do anything but display the page.

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                      • D dandy72

                        November? :-) I get annoyed at myself when the time I last did a backup gets counted in weeks.

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                        GuyThiebaut
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                        I know - my life in the past year has been kind of busy. I store the vast majority of my data on a cloud server with the ability to restore at any point in time(dropbox and so far it's pretty cheap too). So the only real issue is my OS disk being imaged - if something did happen it would be a case of restoring the image and Windows updates, so while November isn't great, it's not a huge problem for a personal non-production environment machine.

                        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                        ― Christopher Hitchens

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                        • L Lost User

                          There are 2 kinds of computer users in the world: Those who regularly backup data and systems images, and those who wish to gawd they did! :)

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                          irneb
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                          Backups are a definite must ... and certainly can help with ransomware. But they sure as elephant don't even come close to being a silver bullet. So I might be tempted to say you get 2 sub-kinds of the first kind: - Those who know that a good backup routine is only a brick in the wall. - Those who think having an "awesome" backup routine is all they need. Personally I start off by stating: I am the weak link. I need to make sure I don't do stupid things like clicking on just any old thing, or opening mails from doggy sources. Next I take the line that a backup is blind ... if you don't catch things like ransomware soon enough, your backup is simply duplicating the ransomware spreading it further. So do tests on your data before and after backups, i.e. what anti-viruses "should" be doing but rarely actually "do". And finally understand that no lock is pick-proof, no medicine works for all illnesses - same way all firewalls / AVs / etc. are just attempts to keep bad things out. And fixes and patches are just there to try and remove those bad things once they HAVE TAKEN HOLD. At which time your latest backup is most probably also infected and would help very little when you try to restore it.

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                            Kidding, right? My back-up routine falls under the military category "Mutual Support", with files flying in every direction, from every machine to every machine, in perfectly-timed relays. It's better planned than the bus services in most cities. I could lose two-thirds of the machines on my network without losing a file, and would only lose any important files if all the devices failed at the same time as the Internet was switched off forever. But I'm still not so stupid as to open e-mails from people I don't know, and will only open attachments to e-mails if the person has told me in advance (through a medium other than e-mail) that he's sending me an e-mail with an attachment.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            BryanFazekas
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                            *IF* the ransomware can encrypt foreign drives ... you could lose everything at once. The biggest danger of this situation is believing we are safe. Better to be extra paranoid. I have burned backups of personal files to DVD-R as a failsafe. Better safe than sorry ...

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                              *IF* the ransomware can encrypt foreign drives ... you could lose everything at once. The biggest danger of this situation is believing we are safe. Better to be extra paranoid. I have burned backups of personal files to DVD-R as a failsafe. Better safe than sorry ...

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                              gjutras
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                              Better make sure it's on an m-disc. Normal dvd-r's have a very finite life before the ink layer seperates from the protective layer (I've been caught before thinking my backup dvds were good). In a high humidity environment of warmer than normal temps, the avg life could be about 2 years.

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                              • G gjutras

                                Better make sure it's on an m-disc. Normal dvd-r's have a very finite life before the ink layer seperates from the protective layer (I've been caught before thinking my backup dvds were good). In a high humidity environment of warmer than normal temps, the avg life could be about 2 years.

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                                BryanFazekas
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                                Thanks for the tip. I know DVD/CD media has a finite lifespan. I'm doing regular daily, weekly, and monthly backups onto secondary HD and external HD. I've been doing DVD about every 6 months (as a fail safe) but now shifting to every 3 months. Storage is room temperature (60 F to 76 F) at low humidity. Life span in this situation should not be a problem. Given my care in dealing with the internet I *think* I'm a low risk for infection. But not no-risk, hence my paranoid backups. ;) The real problem is not any of us, it's everyone else who can touch our personal and professional networks. I keep in mind that every time someone makes something idiot proof, someone else creates a "better" idiot.

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                                • B BryanFazekas

                                  *IF* the ransomware can encrypt foreign drives ... you could lose everything at once. The biggest danger of this situation is believing we are safe. Better to be extra paranoid. I have burned backups of personal files to DVD-R as a failsafe. Better safe than sorry ...

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                                  Mark_Wallace
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                                  Well, uh, all I have to do is not give the program that's doing the nasty permission to cross the network. There's paranoid, and then there's cautious and knowing what you're doing. Do a bit of research, before going crazy with a DVD burner -- Hell, a better solution would be to back-up once a day, then air-gap the backup discs.

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    I've been wondering about those upvotes myself? I've had nothing to do with it. It's not the first time I see phantom upvotes. :)

                                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                                    GuyThiebaut
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                                    Here, have another upvote :laugh:

                                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                    • M Mark_Wallace

                                      ... Aaaand even that gets an upvote.

                                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                      GuyThiebaut
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                                      You can have an upvote too - don't want you to feel left out :laugh:

                                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                      • G GuyThiebaut

                                        Here, have another upvote :laugh:

                                        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                        ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Very humorous! :-\

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                                        • G GuyThiebaut

                                          You can have an upvote too - don't want you to feel left out :laugh:

                                          “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                          ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                          Mark_Wallace
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                                          How DARE you upvote the kind of garbage that I spout!

                                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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