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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
"If you pay monkeys you get peanuts"
Isn't that supposed to be "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"? I'm fairly sure that if you pay people in simians, you get a Chimps Tea Party!
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
"If you pay monkeys you get peanuts"
Isn't that supposed to be "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"? I'm fairly sure that if you pay people in simians, you get a Chimps Tea Party!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Two reasons to turn the phrase over... 1. Google translate get lost when translating back to Hebrew :-) 2. It seems lately boss hires monkeys (and obviously pay them) so most of our code looks like peanuts (or the peels at least)...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare! So anyway, if you're going to tell your boss at least make sure you don't tell him his plan sucks. Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns. Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare! So anyway, if you're going to tell your boss at least make sure you don't tell him his plan sucks. Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns. Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Sander Rossel wrote:
Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns. Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
My parents told me that I should not tell lies... :-D
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns. Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
My parents told me that I should not tell lies... :-D
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
My parents told me that I should not tell lies...
They were lying!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
Well, well - how dare you! :laugh:
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns. Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
My parents told me that I should not tell lies... :-D
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
You can tell the truth in a non-committal way that will allow your boss see the information in his bias as confirmation of his ideas (you don't have to dissuade him) but that will also allow for criticism.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Dunno, but my new boss seems to think that a system is "enterprisy" if it can be maintained by monkeys. Never mind that such a system will require more maintenance and have a higher TCO than the system I envision. It seems enterprises don't want developers who can think outside the box -- who'da thunk? Meanwhile, a system I wrote for a smaller business a while back has been running flawlesly 24/7 for more than ten years and the only call I've had about it since I stopped working for them in 2009 was three years ago and that was just a question about configuration. But I guess that's not "enterprisy". :shrug:
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
You got to find some angry (internal or external) client or problem employee to use. Innocently mention your boss's plans at the perfect time when the dumb angry person will associate it with their ills. If it comes back to you, what you said was innocent and it was the angry persons fault for misunderstanding. Everybody knows how that person is, anyway. In the process some aspect of the boss's plan will be twisted and associated with a sh*t storm and he will now be battling misunderstandings the whole way.
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I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare! So anyway, if you're going to tell your boss at least make sure you don't tell him his plan sucks. Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns. Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm told that if you pay enough monkeys they'll reproduce Shakespeare!
I would hope not. He's been dead for hundreds of years, and I don't want to live in a horror story.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Is this your decision to make? If not, leave it to the people whose decision it is, because they are most likely privy to information that you are not. By all means, give your opinion, but don't tell someone who has been working on something (that you haven't been working on) that he's wrong, because there's a good chance that he's not.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
This is probably going to come down to the way your boss likes to be communicated with, so it's difficult to offer a suggestion. That said: (1)Sometimes it's best to just mention your concerns, in person or by email, so that you are covered when and if it all goes pear-shaped. Sometimes the boss needs to be allowed to screw up so that they can become aware that they need to consult you more closely next time. (2)Do a Columbo [^]and just drop the idea in as you leave a room or meeting, just when they are at their weakest - Mwahahaha!
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Is this your decision to make? If not, leave it to the people whose decision it is, because they are most likely privy to information that you are not. By all means, give your opinion, but don't tell someone who has been working on something (that you haven't been working on) that he's wrong, because there's a good chance that he's not.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
That's the exact problem...To give some background...We had in our company two groups (with a certain fading between them) one for the desktop development and one for the web...Now, with the new version we abandon the desktop and move all the functionality to the web...The leader of the desktop group try to ensure, he will not became obsolete (and this is foolish, as his knowledge of that part of system remains relevant) he picks subject that are relevant to the new technology stack and implements them (cache, authentication ans some) on his own, without knowing too much about the web (he got's his ideas from Google)...I do not want to dump him, so I have a big dilemma how to tell boos he has to stop it (as he not aware of the situation)...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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That's the exact problem...To give some background...We had in our company two groups (with a certain fading between them) one for the desktop development and one for the web...Now, with the new version we abandon the desktop and move all the functionality to the web...The leader of the desktop group try to ensure, he will not became obsolete (and this is foolish, as his knowledge of that part of system remains relevant) he picks subject that are relevant to the new technology stack and implements them (cache, authentication ans some) on his own, without knowing too much about the web (he got's his ideas from Google)...I do not want to dump him, so I have a big dilemma how to tell boos he has to stop it (as he not aware of the situation)...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Granted, that's a sticky situation, but if you chat with whoever's in charge of the architecture, and discuss the idea of putting together "Grand Scheme" diagrams and white papers, it might help to nip off any wrong directions in a slightly nicer way than (what will look like) running to the boss. If the guy's acting out of paranoia (or out of desire to improve his position) things are likely to get heated (or backstabby), if you don't work it with his feelings in mind. Sit back and work out a rational approach toward, shall we say, getting everyone to pull in the same direction. There's always an intelligent approach that avoids anyone getting put down, and that allows everyone to feel secure in what they're doing.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Granted, that's a sticky situation, but if you chat with whoever's in charge of the architecture, and discuss the idea of putting together "Grand Scheme" diagrams and white papers, it might help to nip off any wrong directions in a slightly nicer way than (what will look like) running to the boss. If the guy's acting out of paranoia (or out of desire to improve his position) things are likely to get heated (or backstabby), if you don't work it with his feelings in mind. Sit back and work out a rational approach toward, shall we say, getting everyone to pull in the same direction. There's always an intelligent approach that avoids anyone getting put down, and that allows everyone to feel secure in what they're doing.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Sit back and work out a rational approach
Exactly. And writing a rant here and getting calm-down responses, helps me calm down too and not to spit fire at the office...:thumbsup:
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I do have to! It is for the good of the company I'm part of. It is my professional obligation. It is the very same reason I started to answer questions and writing articles here... I do have to!
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I do have to! It is for the good of the company I'm part of. It is my professional obligation. It is the very same reason I started to answer questions and writing articles here... I do have to!
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I have to tell two things to boss, and not sure how... 1. "If you pay monkeys you get peanuts" 2. To press on in a new field will lead to wrong roads
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
I'm self employed now, so take the following with a grain sf salt - it worked for me though. When I was dealing with HR, I made sure to growl a lot while talking, and stand in front of the only exit. There's a kind of sociopath that will only act with some consideration if they realize that their skeletal integrity is at risk, because they're the sort of people who would do that to others if given the chance. I don't beat up people at random, but you can bet that at least some sociopaths would if they thought they could get away with it - use it against them. Not to mean that all HR folks are sociopath, but you do get quite a few.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
Bring it so that his plan may have benefits IF it works out, and that you totally get his decision to do it this way, but (and don't use the word 'but') also tell him you have some concerns. Not easy, I know, but he'll be a lot more susceptible to your concerns if he thinks you're on his side.
My parents told me that I should not tell lies... :-D
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Then don't tell lies. Actually it's better if you don't because most people are bad liars. Tell him stuff like "if I were you I'd do the same" which technically isn't a lie, because he's doing it and if you were him you'd, well, do it too (or you wouldn't be him). And "it's a good plan if it works", which also isn't a lie, because if it does it's really a good plan (just don't tell him the chances of it succeeding are pretty close to zero). Also try to get into his mindset, why is he doing it? Perhaps it really does make sense, after all this guy is your (probably well paid) boss which means he's made some good decisions in the past. Perhaps he knows something you don't, or he has another view on things. If you get to see his point of view you can judge it from there and it might make sense in some twisted way. You might even praise him for it (you really got his attention now)! Also tell him your plan in a way that he benefits from it. Maybe his plan is (short term) financially optimal, but technical (as in produced code) sub-optimal, maybe you could convince him that there's more money to be made in the long term when better code is produced. Don't tell him the produced code sucks and from a programmer's perspective that's unacceptable (like he gives a damn), tell him instead that more money can be made in the long run when the code that is produced now is of better quality (that's HIS money you're talking about!). And if it's possible make him think it's his plan even when it's actually yours! You: "Do you think our code quality should be better so we can make more money in the future?" Him: *I don't know what he said, but it involved more money* "Of course we should!" You: "That's pretty clever of you!" I'm oversimplifying it, but you get the idea :D Of course it's easier said than done. You don't want to be a suck up, but you don't want to burn his idea either.
Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
