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Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ

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  • L Lost User

    Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ[^] It seems some in Idaho belong back in the Dark Ages. Parents like these do not belong in a modern, civilized society. Let them rot in jail! Why do they get away with these medieval values in a modern society? :mad: Quote: "Idaho is one of only six states that offer a faith-based shield for felony crimes such as manslaughter."

    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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    Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. James 5:15 - And the prayer of faith shall save the sick

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      Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. James 5:15 - And the prayer of faith shall save the sick

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      Seriously, keep your fairy tales to yourself - in my experience, they are not welcomed at Code-Project. Never in my 10 years of membership have posts like yours been received favourably. Worse yet for you, the tolerance for such material is trending downwards. Do you even know what DNFTT stands for, or why it keeps getting said to people that respond to you? Hint: it's not something to be proud of. ;)

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        Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. James 5:15 - And the prayer of faith shall save the sick

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        Slacker007
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        Bible thumping doesn't have a place here, IMHO.

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          Seriously, keep your fairy tales to yourself - in my experience, they are not welcomed at Code-Project. Never in my 10 years of membership have posts like yours been received favourably. Worse yet for you, the tolerance for such material is trending downwards. Do you even know what DNFTT stands for, or why it keeps getting said to people that respond to you? Hint: it's not something to be proud of. ;)

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          :thumbsup:

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          • E enhzflep

            Seriously, keep your fairy tales to yourself - in my experience, they are not welcomed at Code-Project. Never in my 10 years of membership have posts like yours been received favourably. Worse yet for you, the tolerance for such material is trending downwards. Do you even know what DNFTT stands for, or why it keeps getting said to people that respond to you? Hint: it's not something to be proud of. ;)

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            DNFTT! :laugh:

            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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              DNFTT! :laugh:

              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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              Lost User
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              Yes, they're there for kicking, not feeding.

              Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                Cornelius Henning wrote:

                one of only six states

                ONLY, you mean there are 5 other states supporting that insanity. Give me the Flying Spaghetti Monster any day, at least that is fun, just as irrational but fun.

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                Yes. In the case of Idaho at least, it's a remnant of the administration of that crook and liar Nixon. Why am I not surprised?

                Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                • L Lost User

                  Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ[^] It seems some in Idaho belong back in the Dark Ages. Parents like these do not belong in a modern, civilized society. Let them rot in jail! Why do they get away with these medieval values in a modern society? :mad: Quote: "Idaho is one of only six states that offer a faith-based shield for felony crimes such as manslaughter."

                  Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                  Can we be quite clear at least that these are not mediaeval values. The history of medicine begins in that period with the monasteries creating hospitals after all. The refusal of medical treatment on the grounds of religion, which flies in the face of all scriptural logic* and church doctrine is a thoroughly modern age invention of the evangelical sects that formed in the 19th and 20th Centuries arising from an extreme reaction to the huge developments in medicine and science generally. The practice has always been condemned by the mainline Churches and denominations.

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                    Can we be quite clear at least that these are not mediaeval values. The history of medicine begins in that period with the monasteries creating hospitals after all. The refusal of medical treatment on the grounds of religion, which flies in the face of all scriptural logic* and church doctrine is a thoroughly modern age invention of the evangelical sects that formed in the 19th and 20th Centuries arising from an extreme reaction to the huge developments in medicine and science generally. The practice has always been condemned by the mainline Churches and denominations.

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                    I stand corrected. However, the fact that it is a recent phenomenon makes it even more reprehensible. "Modern" humans should know better!

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                    • L Lost User

                      Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ[^] It seems some in Idaho belong back in the Dark Ages. Parents like these do not belong in a modern, civilized society. Let them rot in jail! Why do they get away with these medieval values in a modern society? :mad: Quote: "Idaho is one of only six states that offer a faith-based shield for felony crimes such as manslaughter."

                      Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                      It is a very delicate Thing. I had to decide one time for my wife, I don't like to decide it once again and yes never never for my child. I mentioned "never": Nobody can prevent me to be in a similar Situation again :( :(

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                        It is a very delicate Thing. I had to decide one time for my wife, I don't like to decide it once again and yes never never for my child. I mentioned "never": Nobody can prevent me to be in a similar Situation again :( :(

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                        Your situation must have been very tough, but I believe you saw to it that your wife had the best medical care available.

                        Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                          DNFTT! :laugh:

                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                          Have just reported them - the name gives everything away showing them to be a troll.

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                            Your situation must have been very tough, but I believe you saw to it that your wife had the best medical care available.

                            Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                            Yes, she had the best medical care, the only consolation for me. Bruno

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                              Yes, she had the best medical care, the only consolation for me. Bruno

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                              :rose::rose::rose:

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                                Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. James 5:15 - And the prayer of faith shall save the sick

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                                Quote:

                                James 5:15 - And the prayer of faith shall save the sick

                                Evidence appears to suggest otherwise, I would suggest you cite scientifically valid statistics to back up your statement.

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                                  Can we be quite clear at least that these are not mediaeval values. The history of medicine begins in that period with the monasteries creating hospitals after all. The refusal of medical treatment on the grounds of religion, which flies in the face of all scriptural logic* and church doctrine is a thoroughly modern age invention of the evangelical sects that formed in the 19th and 20th Centuries arising from an extreme reaction to the huge developments in medicine and science generally. The practice has always been condemned by the mainline Churches and denominations.

                                  I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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                                  9082365 wrote:

                                  The history of medicine begins in that period

                                  Think I know a fair few medical students who might disagree with that statement, what the monastic hospitals did do was start to apply systemic methods (i.e. consistent treatments of the same ailment which could then be assessed and improved)

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                                    Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ[^] It seems some in Idaho belong back in the Dark Ages. Parents like these do not belong in a modern, civilized society. Let them rot in jail! Why do they get away with these medieval values in a modern society? :mad: Quote: "Idaho is one of only six states that offer a faith-based shield for felony crimes such as manslaughter."

                                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                                    Nagy Vilmos
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                                    If I stick my genitals in a wasps nest in the name of Cornelius does that show your approval or my insanity? As previously stated, nowt in the Bible supports this stupidity. Disclosure: I am a Christian.

                                    veni bibi saltavi

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                                      Can we be quite clear at least that these are not mediaeval values. The history of medicine begins in that period with the monasteries creating hospitals after all. The refusal of medical treatment on the grounds of religion, which flies in the face of all scriptural logic* and church doctrine is a thoroughly modern age invention of the evangelical sects that formed in the 19th and 20th Centuries arising from an extreme reaction to the huge developments in medicine and science generally. The practice has always been condemned by the mainline Churches and denominations.

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                                      Daniel Pfeffer
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                                      You missed Hippocrates[^], Galen[^], and quite a few other practitioners of the art of medicine. Even Maimonides[^] was famed as a Doctor as well as a Philosopher. While their practices were, in most cases, laughable by modern standards, they were honest practitioners of their art. You should not denigrate or ignore their efforts in the light of later knowledge.

                                      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                        9082365 wrote:

                                        The history of medicine begins in that period

                                        Think I know a fair few medical students who might disagree with that statement, what the monastic hospitals did do was start to apply systemic methods (i.e. consistent treatments of the same ailment which could then be assessed and improved)

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                                        Daniel Pfeffer
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                                        I beg to differ. Medieval monastic hospitals mostly followed the precepts of Hippocrates and Galen, who lived over 1,000 years earlier. In the rare cases that any advances were made, they were made against the active opposition of the Clergy. Modern medicine, like all sciences, did not start advancing again until the Renaissance (1400-1700 CE).

                                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                          9082365 wrote:

                                          The history of medicine begins in that period

                                          Think I know a fair few medical students who might disagree with that statement, what the monastic hospitals did do was start to apply systemic methods (i.e. consistent treatments of the same ailment which could then be assessed and improved)

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                                          9082365
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                                          Poorly phrased in hindsight. Perhaps 'modern medicine' would have been a better choice here ... or not. Anyway, you get what I'm saying.

                                          I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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