Letting them die: parents refuse medical help for children in the name of Christ
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
One time, in a moment of mischief, I invited a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses in. How uncomfortable they looked when I turned the tables and explained what was wrong with their pagan* values.
That is evil and cruel. I like it! :-D
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
I forgot to add that I no Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on my door for the remaining few years I lived there. You could say it was a job well done.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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RyanDev wrote:
simply wanting to share with you something
OK - then let them set up a damn booth and I'll come to them if I feel the need. In the meantime, it's thoughtless, rude, and inconsiderate regardless of how pure the declared motives may be.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
In the meantime, it's thoughtless, rude, and inconsiderate regardless of how pure the declared motives may be.
So, you don't share pizza with your wife and kids when you get some? How rude and selfish. :thumbsdown:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
most are simply wanting to share with you something that has made their life better
And yet, for some reason, that only seems to apply if the "something" involves magic sky-pixies. :rolleyes: If I turned up on your doorstep every Sunday to tell you how everything you believe is wrong, and how abandoning magical thinking in favour of logic, reason, and rational thought would make your life better, I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about "shrill" atheists trying to shove their "beliefs" down your throat. But reverse the situation, and I'm supposed to put up with religionists regularly telling me I'll be tortured for all eternity if I don't abandon logic and embrace their beliefs.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
turned up on your doorstep every Sunday
No one is at your door every Sunday. So, let's keep this in perspective and not exaggerate so much.
Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about "shrill" atheists trying to shove their "beliefs" down your throat.
Nope. I deal with it almost daily on CP. I have no problem with you believing what you want.
Richard Deeming wrote:
religionists regularly telling me I'll be tortured for all eternity if I don't abandon logic and embrace their beliefs.
Only a fool would tell you to abandon logic. And only a wise person would realize logic is not the only way to know something. :^)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Richard Deeming wrote:
turned up on your doorstep every Sunday
No one is at your door every Sunday. So, let's keep this in perspective and not exaggerate so much.
Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about "shrill" atheists trying to shove their "beliefs" down your throat.
Nope. I deal with it almost daily on CP. I have no problem with you believing what you want.
Richard Deeming wrote:
religionists regularly telling me I'll be tortured for all eternity if I don't abandon logic and embrace their beliefs.
Only a fool would tell you to abandon logic. And only a wise person would realize logic is not the only way to know something. :^)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
I deal with it almost daily on CP.
Really? Now who's exaggerating? ;P Also, there's a difference between choosing to visit a website and read messages from atheists - frequently responding to messages from religionists - and having someone turn up on your doorstep to make their point in person. Also also, I don't recall ever seeing an atheist tell a religionist that they're going to be punished/tortured for all eternity for not thinking the right thing, saying the right incantation, or making the right sacrifice to Dawkins on the un-sabbath day.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote:
turned up on your doorstep every Sunday
No one is at your door every Sunday. So, let's keep this in perspective and not exaggerate so much.
Richard Deeming wrote:
I'm sure you'd be the first to complain about "shrill" atheists trying to shove their "beliefs" down your throat.
Nope. I deal with it almost daily on CP. I have no problem with you believing what you want.
Richard Deeming wrote:
religionists regularly telling me I'll be tortured for all eternity if I don't abandon logic and embrace their beliefs.
Only a fool would tell you to abandon logic. And only a wise person would realize logic is not the only way to know something. :^)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
No one is at your door every Sunday. So, let's keep this in perspective and not exaggerate so much.
Nor is how I divvy up a pizza with my family (per your earlier post) remotely akin to a relevant perspective. I know a certain politician or two (current election cycle) that when asked a question they don't want to answer simply create another thread to distract from the topic.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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RyanDev wrote:
I deal with it almost daily on CP.
Really? Now who's exaggerating? ;P Also, there's a difference between choosing to visit a website and read messages from atheists - frequently responding to messages from religionists - and having someone turn up on your doorstep to make their point in person. Also also, I don't recall ever seeing an atheist tell a religionist that they're going to be punished/tortured for all eternity for not thinking the right thing, saying the right incantation, or making the right sacrifice to Dawkins on the un-sabbath day.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Really
Yes. I also belong to Soapbox 1.0. In fact, it's one of the reasons I participate in CP. I enjoy learning other points of view.
Richard Deeming wrote:
there's a difference between choosing to visit a website and read messages from atheists - frequently responding to messages from religionists - and having someone turn up on your doorstep to make their point in person.
Very true. And I would have no problem having an atheist show up at my door as long as they were polite. I believe in freedom of speech.
Richard Deeming wrote:
I don't recall ever seeing an atheist tell a religionist that they're going to be punished/tortured for all eternity for not thinking the right thing, saying the right incantation, or making the right sacrifice to Dawkins on the un-sabbath day.
Neither do religious people, at least not most. It appears your only "experience" with religious people is what you read on the news and you should know the news is only reporting the extreme cases.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote:
No one is at your door every Sunday. So, let's keep this in perspective and not exaggerate so much.
Nor is how I divvy up a pizza with my family (per your earlier post) remotely akin to a relevant perspective. I know a certain politician or two (current election cycle) that when asked a question they don't want to answer simply create another thread to distract from the topic.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
remotely akin to a relevant perspective.
Evil is in the eye of the beholder (you in this case.) I know God lives and loves each one of us and that is the best news you could ever learn and therefore I want to share that with other people. Apparently you don't like to share good things with other people. Therefore, we are different. Talk to you later.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Richard Deeming wrote:
Really
Yes. I also belong to Soapbox 1.0. In fact, it's one of the reasons I participate in CP. I enjoy learning other points of view.
Richard Deeming wrote:
there's a difference between choosing to visit a website and read messages from atheists - frequently responding to messages from religionists - and having someone turn up on your doorstep to make their point in person.
Very true. And I would have no problem having an atheist show up at my door as long as they were polite. I believe in freedom of speech.
Richard Deeming wrote:
I don't recall ever seeing an atheist tell a religionist that they're going to be punished/tortured for all eternity for not thinking the right thing, saying the right incantation, or making the right sacrifice to Dawkins on the un-sabbath day.
Neither do religious people, at least not most. It appears your only "experience" with religious people is what you read on the news and you should know the news is only reporting the extreme cases.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
It appears your only "experience" with religious people is ...
11 years of Catholicism, plus another five stuck at a Catholic school. :laugh: Plus multiple doorstep visits from Jehovas and their ilk, but those last about as long as the double-glazing salesmen.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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RyanDev wrote:
It appears your only "experience" with religious people is ...
11 years of Catholicism, plus another five stuck at a Catholic school. :laugh: Plus multiple doorstep visits from Jehovas and their ilk, but those last about as long as the double-glazing salesmen.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
remotely akin to a relevant perspective.
Evil is in the eye of the beholder (you in this case.) I know God lives and loves each one of us and that is the best news you could ever learn and therefore I want to share that with other people. Apparently you don't like to share good things with other people. Therefore, we are different. Talk to you later.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Yes - we are different. Since I don't subscribe to your particular view of how people should treat one another you declare my view "EVIL". Well - I look at it this way - a system of beliefs that declares (and has done so for millennia) that if you aren't brought into their fold then you'll be damned to hell-fires for all eternity. Then, of course, they claim they believe in a god of love - well burning forever doesn't cut it in my faith as an act of love. The arrogance of your other disparaging remarks (per how I think, feel, and otherwise interact with people) is typical of what has been referred to throughout this thread as 'bible pounders'. I don't give them a line of crap about "The Good News" - I just get down to helping out how I can without any strings attached. And - if they ask me why? Well - the answer's pleasantly secular: because we should help one another. Not for any eternal reward - but simply because it's the right thing to do. If, afterward, they give thanks by praying to a rock, a cow, an idol nailed to a cross, or overweight man smiling - that's good for them. Read: Malachi 1:11 - and learn - If there is but a single deity than all ways are his way. At least according to a prophet (which trumps a minister/preacher any day).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Yes - we are different. Since I don't subscribe to your particular view of how people should treat one another you declare my view "EVIL". Well - I look at it this way - a system of beliefs that declares (and has done so for millennia) that if you aren't brought into their fold then you'll be damned to hell-fires for all eternity. Then, of course, they claim they believe in a god of love - well burning forever doesn't cut it in my faith as an act of love. The arrogance of your other disparaging remarks (per how I think, feel, and otherwise interact with people) is typical of what has been referred to throughout this thread as 'bible pounders'. I don't give them a line of crap about "The Good News" - I just get down to helping out how I can without any strings attached. And - if they ask me why? Well - the answer's pleasantly secular: because we should help one another. Not for any eternal reward - but simply because it's the right thing to do. If, afterward, they give thanks by praying to a rock, a cow, an idol nailed to a cross, or overweight man smiling - that's good for them. Read: Malachi 1:11 - and learn - If there is but a single deity than all ways are his way. At least according to a prophet (which trumps a minister/preacher any day).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
you declare my view "EVIL".
Simply reflecting your initial statement.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
that if you aren't brought into their fold then you'll be damned to hell-fires for all eternity
That's not what all religions teach. I agree, any religion teaching that is not the correct religion.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
The arrogance of your other disparaging remarks
First off, none of my remarks have been arrogant so I apologize if you thought they were. Even more so, none were disparaging so again, you must have misunderstood something I wrote.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I don't give them a line of crap about "The Good News"
So, if God were real and did have a plan for you, you wouldn't give a crap? That seems awfully foolish but I do respect each person's right to believe what they want.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Read: Malachi 1:11
I think you may be referencing something else. :confused:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
you declare my view "EVIL".
Simply reflecting your initial statement.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
that if you aren't brought into their fold then you'll be damned to hell-fires for all eternity
That's not what all religions teach. I agree, any religion teaching that is not the correct religion.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
The arrogance of your other disparaging remarks
First off, none of my remarks have been arrogant so I apologize if you thought they were. Even more so, none were disparaging so again, you must have misunderstood something I wrote.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I don't give them a line of crap about "The Good News"
So, if God were real and did have a plan for you, you wouldn't give a crap? That seems awfully foolish but I do respect each person's right to believe what they want.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Read: Malachi 1:11
I think you may be referencing something else. :confused:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Malachi 1:11 "From the rising of the sun . . ." The prophet is telling the Children of Israel (chewing them out, a bit, actually) that there are other peoples (translation of Gentile) and their sacrifices are accepted because that is what they know and believe to be the truth for worship - so it is all to Him - in all their diversity. The opening reference is a reference to all of the earth - and thus all of the people in it. Interestingly - if one looks into Judaism, they do not teach that everyone must become a Jew. Those who are or wish to be so have taken on greater responsibilities - but it is by no means the only route to what you call 'salvation'. Nor, is it in fact, promised to those who do/are Jews. It's an amazingly enlightened view - yet is far older than the current more popular systems of in the world that keep billions in thrall. Hence, no Jewish missionaries. You could learn a lot from what I consider "The Ancient Ones". Now - as for your idea of a "Plan" - I consider The Deity far above wasting his time by planning out how life on earth will unfold. If so - what is the purpose since the entire stage is set. Rather - given free choice - we can descend to the depths of depravity or rise above ourselves. Then, seeing how this plays out "good vs. evil" - "selfish vs. selfless" - that would be worthwhile.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Malachi 1:11 "From the rising of the sun . . ." The prophet is telling the Children of Israel (chewing them out, a bit, actually) that there are other peoples (translation of Gentile) and their sacrifices are accepted because that is what they know and believe to be the truth for worship - so it is all to Him - in all their diversity. The opening reference is a reference to all of the earth - and thus all of the people in it. Interestingly - if one looks into Judaism, they do not teach that everyone must become a Jew. Those who are or wish to be so have taken on greater responsibilities - but it is by no means the only route to what you call 'salvation'. Nor, is it in fact, promised to those who do/are Jews. It's an amazingly enlightened view - yet is far older than the current more popular systems of in the world that keep billions in thrall. Hence, no Jewish missionaries. You could learn a lot from what I consider "The Ancient Ones". Now - as for your idea of a "Plan" - I consider The Deity far above wasting his time by planning out how life on earth will unfold. If so - what is the purpose since the entire stage is set. Rather - given free choice - we can descend to the depths of depravity or rise above ourselves. Then, seeing how this plays out "good vs. evil" - "selfish vs. selfless" - that would be worthwhile.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
and their sacrifices are accepted
Actually, it's a prophecy that one day the Gentiles will believe in God. But not sure your interpretation really adds to the conversation anyway, at least not that I can see.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I consider The Deity far above wasting his time by planning out how life on earth will unfold.
Not the type of plan I was referring to. Very simply put, the purpose of life on earth is to become like God. That we can live forever as families and have joy. That is why we want to share it with you. Not because we are evil. :rolleyes:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
and their sacrifices are accepted
Actually, it's a prophecy that one day the Gentiles will believe in God. But not sure your interpretation really adds to the conversation anyway, at least not that I can see.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I consider The Deity far above wasting his time by planning out how life on earth will unfold.
Not the type of plan I was referring to. Very simply put, the purpose of life on earth is to become like God. That we can live forever as families and have joy. That is why we want to share it with you. Not because we are evil. :rolleyes:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Very simply put, the purpose of life on earth is to become like God.
Which one? There's hundreds to choose from, and most of them demand different things from their followers. And if that really is the purpose, why do so many religionist frown on scientists "playing God"? Surely that's precisely the sort of behaviour they should be encouraging. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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RyanDev wrote:
Very simply put, the purpose of life on earth is to become like God.
Which one? There's hundreds to choose from, and most of them demand different things from their followers. And if that really is the purpose, why do so many religionist frown on scientists "playing God"? Surely that's precisely the sort of behaviour they should be encouraging. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
