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I'm a little scared about this election.

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  • J James_Parsons

    I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

    i cri evry tiem

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    9082365
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    Congratulations. You have discovered one of the fundamental flaws in democracy. The people are the last .. er .. people you'd want making decisions about anything! Just to really make you scared that's something that Plato told us around 2500 years ago!

    I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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      Congratulations. You have discovered one of the fundamental flaws in democracy. The people are the last .. er .. people you'd want making decisions about anything! Just to really make you scared that's something that Plato told us around 2500 years ago!

      I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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      Wombaticus
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      Yeah - but it's also the argument fascists use to rationalise their actions: "The people are too stupid to know what's best for them so we - 'cos we're smart - must enforce what (we say) is good for them onto them."

      "I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt. "If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.

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      • Z ZurdoDev

        Raise the age to vote to 25. Or perhaps a minimum GPA? :thumbsup: :-\

        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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        Corporal Agarn
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        Na just have them present a picture ID. :sigh: :-O

        Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Raise the age to vote to 25. Or perhaps a minimum GPA? :thumbsup: :-\

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          :thumbsup:

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          • W Wombaticus

            Yeah - but it's also the argument fascists use to rationalise their actions: "The people are too stupid to know what's best for them so we - 'cos we're smart - must enforce what (we say) is good for them onto them."

            "I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt. "If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.

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            Wombaticus wrote:

            The people are too stupid to know what's best for them so we - 'cos we're smart - must enforce what (we say) is good for them onto them."

            All political parties act that way, not just fascists. Right wingers think the lefts are retards, and visa versa.

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            • 9 9082365

              Congratulations. You have discovered one of the fundamental flaws in democracy. The people are the last .. er .. people you'd want making decisions about anything! Just to really make you scared that's something that Plato told us around 2500 years ago!

              I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!

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              9082365 wrote:

              The people are the last .. er .. people you'd want making decisions about anything!

              Which is why we are lucky in Britain to have Murdoch to tell us how we should vote. "It's The Sun wot won it"

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              • J James_Parsons

                I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

                i cri evry tiem

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                James_Parsons wrote:

                These people had know idea

                The irony is killing me. I agree with your overall point though, only those that agree with my views should be allowed to vote.

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                  Wombaticus wrote:

                  The people are too stupid to know what's best for them so we - 'cos we're smart - must enforce what (we say) is good for them onto them."

                  All political parties act that way, not just fascists. Right wingers think the lefts are retards, and visa versa.

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                  Wombaticus
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                  Yes - there are fascists at any extreme of the political spectrum; they just wear different clothes.

                  "I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt. "If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.

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                  • J James_Parsons

                    I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

                    i cri evry tiem

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                    You have reason to worry, James. Democracy is a political tool that ensures we are governed no better than we deserve! :^)

                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                    • J James_Parsons

                      I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

                      i cri evry tiem

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                      jschell
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                      James_Parsons wrote:

                      these people are 17 - 18...These people had know idea what the terms...

                      Hate to burst your bubble but, for the most part, their age had nothing to do with this.

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                      • J James_Parsons

                        I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

                        i cri evry tiem

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                        It's ok. The electorate has always been dumb and uninformed. This is also what allows them to be manipulated easily, this was already used extensively by the Romans. And then you're back to de-facto oligarchy anyway, no harm done.

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                        • W Wombaticus

                          Yes - there are fascists at any extreme of the political spectrum; they just wear different clothes.

                          "I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt. "If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.

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                          But they both go to the same (expensive) tailors...

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                          • J James_Parsons

                            I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

                            i cri evry tiem

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                            Well, the good news is that if they're that uninterested in political considerations, they're not terribly likely to vote. This is a good thing. The bad news is that there are passionate, invested individuals out there that will not only vote, but will attempt to shame the people that aren't interested into voting "their way". It happens every cycle, and it never ends well. And the worst news is that this year, it looks like people will get to choose between an almost comical caricature or an unrepentant criminal. Oh wait, that's every election year.

                            "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                              Well, the good news is that if they're that uninterested in political considerations, they're not terribly likely to vote. This is a good thing. The bad news is that there are passionate, invested individuals out there that will not only vote, but will attempt to shame the people that aren't interested into voting "their way". It happens every cycle, and it never ends well. And the worst news is that this year, it looks like people will get to choose between an almost comical caricature or an unrepentant criminal. Oh wait, that's every election year.

                              "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                              Richard Deeming
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                              Nathan Minier wrote:

                              Oh wait, that's every election year.

                              South Park[^] said it best. :)


                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                                Raise the age to vote to 25. Or perhaps a minimum GPA? :thumbsup: :-\

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                I think the minimum voting age should be 60.

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                • J James_Parsons

                                  I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

                                  i cri evry tiem

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                                  And this is the reason we have the "electoral college" - common folk weren't considered to be smart/educated/informed enough to cast a vote.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    James_Parsons wrote:

                                    these people are 17 - 18...These people had know idea what the terms...

                                    Hate to burst your bubble but, for the most part, their age had nothing to do with this.

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                                    Werd...

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                      I think the minimum voting age should be 60.

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                      I thought it was, youngsters are (usually) too lazy to vote anyway...

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                                      • J James_Parsons

                                        I am a senior in high school. About a week ago I went up to the school's library to work on an app I was doing. A few minutes later, another senior class came in. Their teacher wished for them to take an online quiz which would tell them where they were on the political spectrum. Now mind you, these people are 17 - 18 and will be able to vote this November. During their quiz, I became a little scared about the future. These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were. They did not have any idea what Planned Parenthood was, and could not make sense of questions about taxation. One question asked: "Do you believe that U.S. senators should have a set term limit", and a student told the teacher he did not understand the question. I do believe one of the few questions they did understand asked about the legalization of marijuana. It is not even the fact that they were so ignorant about these issues. I'm am worried because the were sitting right in front of a computer and did not bother to look any of it up. :omg:

                                        i cri evry tiem

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                                        WiganLatics
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                                        James_Parsons wrote:

                                        These people had know idea what the terms "pro-life" and "pro-choice" were.

                                        Those people sound like they are evidence in favour of pro-choice... ;P

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                                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                          And this is the reason we have the "electoral college" - common folk weren't considered to be smart/educated/informed enough to cast a vote.

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                          electoral college

                                          Ok so I had to look that up and started reading it in wikisomething. Eyes glazed over and could not track after about 3 line. By the great Ghu american politics is a bloody nightmare.

                                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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