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Chris, You've got no idea what you are talking about, neither do most people in these forums. For thses people religion is not simply something they choose to practice after work. It is their life, their heritage, their history and their after life. So it should not be hard to understand that out of such a large popualation of depressed and supressed people, there are going to be a few who blow themsleves up to make a statement. In their beleifs, they are being heroes and they will enjoy and afterlife with their God. Their family of course agree. So please, before posting such harsh critism on these people and their religion, take a minuite to understand the real situation. (2b || !2b)
No, *you* don't get it. Yes, it is their life, their heritage. But the people who blow themselves up are not sad, frustrated people who think of it themselves - this behaviour is enshrined in their religion. They preach it ( or they should if they believe the Quran, which says it ). That is why there are so many of these people acting this way, and so few Australian Aboriginals ( none AFAIK ) doing the same - because they don't expect an eternal reward for killing children. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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No, *you* don't get it. Yes, it is their life, their heritage. But the people who blow themselves up are not sad, frustrated people who think of it themselves - this behaviour is enshrined in their religion. They preach it ( or they should if they believe the Quran, which says it ). That is why there are so many of these people acting this way, and so few Australian Aboriginals ( none AFAIK ) doing the same - because they don't expect an eternal reward for killing children. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
Yes, you are right. It is their religion which makes them blow themselves up. But remove their religion and what have you got left? Nothing. No politics, no government, no culture, nothing. As I said, these people live for their religion, so from their perspective dying for their religion makes sense. To us it doesn't make sense, and thats the hard part for us, accepting that people are different, countries are different and religion is different from what we expect. But I agree with you, it is a sensless thing to do. These people are obviosly blinded by their religion and they cannot enjoy life the way we do. But thats the way they've lived for centuries, so really, its not that bad. Its just a way of life for them. The clever ones leave. (2b || !2b)
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Oh, you mean the superpower thats saving everyone's bacon around the world. But isn't it time for a NEW anti-American/superpower joke? Even the Canadians should be able to come up with a few more. Besides, if the U.S.S. Lincoln wanted to move a Canadian island, it would just move it. Now THAT would be funny!
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Yes, you are right. It is their religion which makes them blow themselves up. But remove their religion and what have you got left? Nothing. No politics, no government, no culture, nothing. As I said, these people live for their religion, so from their perspective dying for their religion makes sense. To us it doesn't make sense, and thats the hard part for us, accepting that people are different, countries are different and religion is different from what we expect. But I agree with you, it is a sensless thing to do. These people are obviosly blinded by their religion and they cannot enjoy life the way we do. But thats the way they've lived for centuries, so really, its not that bad. Its just a way of life for them. The clever ones leave. (2b || !2b)
Yes, you are right. It is their religion which makes them blow themselves up. But remove their religion and what have you got left? Nothing. No politics, no government, no culture, nothing. As I said, these people live for their religion, so from their perspective dying for their religion makes sense. You're saying they have no government over there ? No culture ? That's a bit racist, don't you think ? Or do you just mean all those things for them involve their religion ? To us it doesn't make sense, and thats the hard part for us, accepting that people are different, countries are different and religion is different from what we expect. I don't give a toss, I am happy for these people to do what they want - until they start killing innocent children. Then my tolerance drops sharply. But I agree with you, it is a sensless thing to do. These people are obviosly blinded by their religion and they cannot enjoy life the way we do. But thats the way they've lived for centuries, so really, its not that bad. Its just a way of life for them. The clever ones leave. Well, I wouldn't suggest the obvious conclusion - that the country is full of child killing morons, but overall I think we agree except that you're too busy trying to be tolerant to consider the rights of the people they kill. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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Yes, you are right. It is their religion which makes them blow themselves up. But remove their religion and what have you got left? Nothing. No politics, no government, no culture, nothing. As I said, these people live for their religion, so from their perspective dying for their religion makes sense. You're saying they have no government over there ? No culture ? That's a bit racist, don't you think ? Or do you just mean all those things for them involve their religion ? To us it doesn't make sense, and thats the hard part for us, accepting that people are different, countries are different and religion is different from what we expect. I don't give a toss, I am happy for these people to do what they want - until they start killing innocent children. Then my tolerance drops sharply. But I agree with you, it is a sensless thing to do. These people are obviosly blinded by their religion and they cannot enjoy life the way we do. But thats the way they've lived for centuries, so really, its not that bad. Its just a way of life for them. The clever ones leave. Well, I wouldn't suggest the obvious conclusion - that the country is full of child killing morons, but overall I think we agree except that you're too busy trying to be tolerant to consider the rights of the people they kill. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
You're saying they have no government over there ? No culture ? That's a bit racist, don't you think ? Or do you just mean all those things for them involve their religion ? Religion IS their culture and government. Removing religion leaves them without. I don't give a toss, I am happy for these people to do what they want - until they start killing innocent children. Then my tolerance drops sharply They can kill each other and their children as far as I am concerned, why should that bother you? After all, these children will grow up to be like their parents anyway, so why do you have a problem with them being killed before they grow up? Well, I wouldn't suggest the obvious conclusion - that the country is full of child killing morons, but overall I think we agree except that you're too busy trying to be tolerant to consider the rights of the people they kill You have obviosly misunderstood me. I don't know if it is simply because of your low IQ, or maybe you have problems reading. But I will be tolerant and accept you for what you are. (2b || !2b)
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If only it were that simple. I personally think both sides of that conflict are bunch of idiots, and the sad part is they are not alone (N. Ireland, Balkans, Sudan, Rwanda, ect.). But I really wonder how the rest of us in our comfortable, peaceful homes would react, if an other group of people came to our country, kicked us out, and then called the country theirs. and there we sit, several generations later still stuck in refugee camps, no future, no land to call home, while the other's, living in the land that use to be ours, live very comfortable. I bet you would fight back too, in what ever way you could. I know I would. --- Multitasking: Screwing up several things at once.
> If only it were that simple. I personally think both sides of that conflict are bunch > of idiots I agree (and I've stated this before). > and the sad part is they are not alone (N. Ireland, Balkans, Sudan, Rwanda, ect.). Again, I agree. > But I really wonder how the rest of us in our comfortable, peaceful homes would react, > if an other group of people came to our country, kicked us out, and then called the > country theirs. and there we sit, several generations later still stuck in refugee > camps, no future, no land to call home, while the other's, living in the land that use > to be ours, live very comfortable. I bet you would fight back too, in what ever way > you could. I know I would. It's always different when it's in your own back yard, but if it was, don't even for a second think that the countries we're talking about right now would have people just like us that share the views we have right now of them. That's human nature.
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"Oh, you mean the superpower thats saving everyone's bacon around the world." Yessss, that one is very funny. Keep it up, you may become new Jerry Lewis... :cool:
Sorry, I think Jim Carrey (a Canadian, BTW) already has that job.
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You're saying they have no government over there ? No culture ? That's a bit racist, don't you think ? Or do you just mean all those things for them involve their religion ? Religion IS their culture and government. Removing religion leaves them without. I don't give a toss, I am happy for these people to do what they want - until they start killing innocent children. Then my tolerance drops sharply They can kill each other and their children as far as I am concerned, why should that bother you? After all, these children will grow up to be like their parents anyway, so why do you have a problem with them being killed before they grow up? Well, I wouldn't suggest the obvious conclusion - that the country is full of child killing morons, but overall I think we agree except that you're too busy trying to be tolerant to consider the rights of the people they kill You have obviosly misunderstood me. I don't know if it is simply because of your low IQ, or maybe you have problems reading. But I will be tolerant and accept you for what you are. (2b || !2b)
You're saying they have no government over there ? No culture ? That's a bit racist, don't you think ? Or do you just mean all those things for them involve their religion ? Religion IS their culture and government. Removing religion leaves them without. The second option I gave is correct then ? I guess this is so. I don't give a toss, I am happy for these people to do what they want - until they start killing innocent children. Then my tolerance drops sharply They can kill each other and their children as far as I am concerned, why should that bother you? After all, these children will grow up to be like their parents anyway, so why do you have a problem with them being killed before they grow up? Well, at least one child who died was an Australian citizen on holiday, but ignoring that for a moment... Every child has the ability to grow up and become more than their environment, to rise above. You said as much when you said the smart ones leave - they have to come from somewhere. It bothers me because the people dying are not necessarily the same sort of maniacs as the people doing the killing, it bothers me because it should be self evident that the death of a child is a doubly terrible thing. Well, I wouldn't suggest the obvious conclusion - that the country is full of child killing morons, but overall I think we agree except that you're too busy trying to be tolerant to consider the rights of the people they kill You have obviosly misunderstood me. I don't know if it is simply because of your low IQ, or maybe you have problems reading. But I will be tolerant and accept you for what you are. If you want to be rude you can just pucker up for all I care. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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Yes, you are right. It is their religion which makes them blow themselves up. But remove their religion and what have you got left? Nothing. No politics, no government, no culture, nothing. As I said, these people live for their religion, so from their perspective dying for their religion makes sense. To us it doesn't make sense, and thats the hard part for us, accepting that people are different, countries are different and religion is different from what we expect. But I agree with you, it is a sensless thing to do. These people are obviosly blinded by their religion and they cannot enjoy life the way we do. But thats the way they've lived for centuries, so really, its not that bad. Its just a way of life for them. The clever ones leave. (2b || !2b)
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> The clever ones leave. I guess I'm just a little strange, but it doesn't seem to me that it would take a lot of mental horsepower to want to exit a burning building...
> The clever ones leave. I guess I'm just a little strange, > but it doesn't seem to me that it would take a lot of > mental horsepower to want to exit a burning building... Exactly! Perhaps it's a sort of accelerated Darwinian selection. The smart ones leave and the dumb ones stay and blow each other away. "das leid schlaft in der maschine" -Einstürzende Neubauten