For some perspective
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you do not like a command line
I think I stopped liking command line somewhere around the year 2000. And it took me longer than most people. :-D
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
GUIs are good for a few specific things, but CLIs are better at everything else. :badger: OpenVMS rules! :badger:
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I'm not sure which desktop manager (Unity I think) I logged into Ubuntu with the other day but I needed to search for some files. There was no way to do it. No menu item, nothing. A quick google search gave me lots of articles of how to find files using command lines. No thanks. I finally logged back in using a different desktop manager and it was in the File menu under "Go." Microsoft may be far from perfect but I don't see any alternative that is anywhere close to as good as Microsoft. And I've been able to have a good career because of Microsoft and don't see any reason why that won't continue.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I never liked Unity - it is like Metro for Windows... I'm using Nautilus (the default for Gnome on Fedora) and it has a nice search button on it: http://www.linuxnov.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Gnome-Nautilus-File-Manager-Fedora-19-Screenshot.png[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I'm not sure which desktop manager (Unity I think) I logged into Ubuntu with the other day but I needed to search for some files. There was no way to do it. No menu item, nothing. A quick google search gave me lots of articles of how to find files using command lines. No thanks. I finally logged back in using a different desktop manager and it was in the File menu under "Go." Microsoft may be far from perfect but I don't see any alternative that is anywhere close to as good as Microsoft. And I've been able to have a good career because of Microsoft and don't see any reason why that won't continue.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Just click on the folder icon, then enter a search. Or better yet open a terminal and use "find", which is much more capable than anything else. I never trust searching files in Windows as it utilized plugins for various file types, and if there is no plugin, it sometimes refuses to search inside the file.
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I'm not sure which desktop manager (Unity I think) I logged into Ubuntu with the other day but I needed to search for some files. There was no way to do it. No menu item, nothing. A quick google search gave me lots of articles of how to find files using command lines. No thanks. I finally logged back in using a different desktop manager and it was in the File menu under "Go." Microsoft may be far from perfect but I don't see any alternative that is anywhere close to as good as Microsoft. And I've been able to have a good career because of Microsoft and don't see any reason why that won't continue.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Lemme get this straight: 1. You're a programmer 2. You've found a shortfall in linux 3. Instead of spending an hour making a front-end for Find (let's face it: it'd be a piece of piss; it's just that no-one has done it, yet), you'd rather bitch about it and let microsoft pwn your machines. What the linux community is missing is windows developers, who could turn it into something so much better. Unless major changes happen, windows is a lost cause, because the average windows users (very much including the "I don't know much about computers"ones) do not want to be treated as mindless apple fanbois are, so get with a program that will make things better -- either by kicking ms' @rse to get it to toe the line, or by helping provide an alternative. And something to consider is that if you stick with windows, you could miss out on a HUGE market, in the future. Posted from one of my five -- it was six, but a failing power supply took one out, over the week-end -- windows machines (which, like three of the others, is dual boot with linux distros)
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Lemme get this straight: 1. You're a programmer 2. You've found a shortfall in linux 3. Instead of spending an hour making a front-end for Find (let's face it: it'd be a piece of piss; it's just that no-one has done it, yet), you'd rather bitch about it and let microsoft pwn your machines. What the linux community is missing is windows developers, who could turn it into something so much better. Unless major changes happen, windows is a lost cause, because the average windows users (very much including the "I don't know much about computers"ones) do not want to be treated as mindless apple fanbois are, so get with a program that will make things better -- either by kicking ms' @rse to get it to toe the line, or by helping provide an alternative. And something to consider is that if you stick with windows, you could miss out on a HUGE market, in the future. Posted from one of my five -- it was six, but a failing power supply took one out, over the week-end -- windows machines (which, like three of the others, is dual boot with linux distros)
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Instead of spending an hour making a front-end for Find
You flatter me. :-O You can also make a find in Windows or anything else you want in Windows as well. :doh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Lemme get this straight: 1. You're a programmer 2. You've found a shortfall in linux 3. Instead of spending an hour making a front-end for Find (let's face it: it'd be a piece of piss; it's just that no-one has done it, yet), you'd rather bitch about it and let microsoft pwn your machines. What the linux community is missing is windows developers, who could turn it into something so much better. Unless major changes happen, windows is a lost cause, because the average windows users (very much including the "I don't know much about computers"ones) do not want to be treated as mindless apple fanbois are, so get with a program that will make things better -- either by kicking ms' @rse to get it to toe the line, or by helping provide an alternative. And something to consider is that if you stick with windows, you could miss out on a HUGE market, in the future. Posted from one of my five -- it was six, but a failing power supply took one out, over the week-end -- windows machines (which, like three of the others, is dual boot with linux distros)
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Instead of spending an hour making a front-end for Find
You flatter me. :-O You can also make a find in Windows or anything else you want in Windows as well. :doh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
ou can also make a find in Windows
It's been done. Do something new and original.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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RyanDev wrote:
ou can also make a find in Windows
It's been done. Do something new and original.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
What the linux community is missing is windows developers
Can't imagine why that would be! :doh:
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
Could be because windows developers, who already know the things that linux developers need to learn, aren't willing to leap into a new environment.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you do not like a command line
I think I stopped liking command line somewhere around the year 2000. And it took me longer than most people. :-D
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I never liked Unity - it is like Metro for Windows... I'm using Nautilus (the default for Gnome on Fedora) and it has a nice search button on it: http://www.linuxnov.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Gnome-Nautilus-File-Manager-Fedora-19-Screenshot.png[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It is not a screenshot of mine - just one I found on the internet to demonstrate...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Could be because windows developers, who already know the things that linux developers need to learn, aren't willing to leap into a new environment.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Yes, because it makes no economic sense to do so. A developer's first priority is to feed and clothe themselves and their dependents. Why would one eschew the multiverse of opportunities the ubiquity of Windows provides to do that?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Yes, because it makes no economic sense to do so. A developer's first priority is to feed and clothe themselves and their dependents. Why would one eschew the multiverse of opportunities the ubiquity of Windows provides to do that?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
Yeah, like no-one has 90 minutes a week to spare.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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thanks
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I'm not sure which desktop manager (Unity I think) I logged into Ubuntu with the other day but I needed to search for some files. There was no way to do it. No menu item, nothing. A quick google search gave me lots of articles of how to find files using command lines. No thanks. I finally logged back in using a different desktop manager and it was in the File menu under "Go." Microsoft may be far from perfect but I don't see any alternative that is anywhere close to as good as Microsoft. And I've been able to have a good career because of Microsoft and don't see any reason why that won't continue.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Well, I must say the search function in Windows Explorer is equally bad. In that particular cesspool I also like to use a proper file management program instead. Usually go with FAR in Windows. On Linux my weapon of choice is Krusader. You're probably guessing I'm in the split-view Norton Commander camp when it comes to FMs. However, I must say that I was working on a default Ubuntu installation the other day. I really didn't have any trouble finding the search button in the Nautilus FM (i.e. Ubuntu Unity's default FM). It's just the magnifying glass icon (same as the WinExpl ribbon has). And it's even more like WinExpl ... wildcards also don't help in search terms and multiple search terms just give you more unrelated results, not less. So it's search parser is equally badly implemented. One of the many reasons I don't use Windows' Explorer. Though I would allow that the Nautilus file manager is definitely not the greatest, there are other alternatives. In particular (if you don't like a NC-like split panel) I've found Thunar and Dolphin to be much nicer to use than Nautilus/WinExpl. If I'm on a LXDE desktop (like Lubuntu) then even the cut back PCmanFM feels a lot more user friendly and powerful than those two. But really ... I would highly recommend you go with a decent NC-like FM. It brings all the benefits of a GUI program and add them onto the CLI interface. You get the very best of both worlds. What's more is that if you SSH into a remote server you can still use a TUI based FM like Midnight Commander and have the same functionality as you're used to (even when your connection only allows text, no need to RDP or VNC) - especially useful for server management (means you don't need any wasteful desktops on your server).
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I'm not sure which desktop manager (Unity I think) I logged into Ubuntu with the other day but I needed to search for some files. There was no way to do it. No menu item, nothing. A quick google search gave me lots of articles of how to find files using command lines. No thanks. I finally logged back in using a different desktop manager and it was in the File menu under "Go." Microsoft may be far from perfect but I don't see any alternative that is anywhere close to as good as Microsoft. And I've been able to have a good career because of Microsoft and don't see any reason why that won't continue.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
took me a long time to switch up to win 7, but once i understood the search, being able to just press WinKey then type what i was after, that was then when i liked Win7. But to be clear, i was doing that on Mac with spotlight before (maybe 1 or 2 years before). And Im not talking about files, but like if want to get to the uninstall page. no need to go to control panel, trying to remember if it is under "Applications and Programs" or "Programs and Features". The search allows to to jump to many settings sections in about half the actions required. Then Win8, which destroyed this great feature, by separating the search into Apps/Settings and something else (i do not use 8 much), mean instead of just typing "unin" then down arrow a few times and enter. In Win8 get the impression there is nothing for "unin" because as im typing im looking left not right. they fixed this in 8.1, but how they missed that was just terrible design. but as i said near top- I had used Apple Spotlight for this all search. They might even be doing it better as i think they have aliases on many of their settings?
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GUIs are good for a few specific things, but CLIs are better at everything else. :badger: OpenVMS rules! :badger:
Whenever I am forced to use Linux I always head straight to the CLI. It is the only constant in a murky world of indifferent guis. We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Well, I must say the search function in Windows Explorer is equally bad. In that particular cesspool I also like to use a proper file management program instead. Usually go with FAR in Windows. On Linux my weapon of choice is Krusader. You're probably guessing I'm in the split-view Norton Commander camp when it comes to FMs. However, I must say that I was working on a default Ubuntu installation the other day. I really didn't have any trouble finding the search button in the Nautilus FM (i.e. Ubuntu Unity's default FM). It's just the magnifying glass icon (same as the WinExpl ribbon has). And it's even more like WinExpl ... wildcards also don't help in search terms and multiple search terms just give you more unrelated results, not less. So it's search parser is equally badly implemented. One of the many reasons I don't use Windows' Explorer. Though I would allow that the Nautilus file manager is definitely not the greatest, there are other alternatives. In particular (if you don't like a NC-like split panel) I've found Thunar and Dolphin to be much nicer to use than Nautilus/WinExpl. If I'm on a LXDE desktop (like Lubuntu) then even the cut back PCmanFM feels a lot more user friendly and powerful than those two. But really ... I would highly recommend you go with a decent NC-like FM. It brings all the benefits of a GUI program and add them onto the CLI interface. You get the very best of both worlds. What's more is that if you SSH into a remote server you can still use a TUI based FM like Midnight Commander and have the same functionality as you're used to (even when your connection only allows text, no need to RDP or VNC) - especially useful for server management (means you don't need any wasteful desktops on your server).
irneb wrote:
I would highly recommend you go with a decent NC-like FM.
I'll second that. And even third that (although I know that three is odd ;P ). Using Total Commander on Windows 7 - finds all kinds of stuff fast that Windows Explorer totally misses. And file management is just way easier and less error-prone.
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Yes, because it makes no economic sense to do so. A developer's first priority is to feed and clothe themselves and their dependents. Why would one eschew the multiverse of opportunities the ubiquity of Windows provides to do that?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
9082365 wrote:
Yes, because it makes no economic sense to do so. A developer's first priority is to feed and clothe themselves and their dependents
Exactly. My first few years out of college were spent in the Mac world although my background was Unix. Unfortunately, after that job ended, I found myself without a marketable skillset, and was lucky enough to retool for the Windows 3.1 market (yes, this was a few years back ;P ). Not knocking Macs (or Unix), but at that time and place I couldn't find a job using those skill sets. I loved both environments, but the jobs were in DOS/Windows ... and so was I. Since then? I go with market share. Got a family to support, so playing with the coolest tools takes a second priority behind having a paycheck. The great thing about the current world is that I can work in a Windows world, but can keep up knowledge in Linux, Android, etc. Computers are cheap enough that I can do what I want. :cool:
