Fine, I'll jump on the "I hate Microsoft" bandwagon
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I understand your frustrations, but to be honest, I didn't ever miss that function. I did VB6 for years, I did Java for years, even did some Delphi, but now C# for quite some years, and every language has its benefits and its downsides, but C# really is the nicest language I've used, Delphi comes in second :-) The reasoning behind not providing a Left function I think is since it's not a core function, but more of a "convenience function", one that would give discussions among developers, since they would make their own 'more performing' version of that function. VB6 provided more convenience functions out of the box, since it was mainly meant to make software development 'as easy as possible'. And to be honest, I like the fact that C# provided us with Extensions, Linq, Entity Framework,... more than the couple of arguable functions they might have 'forgotten'. Here they were really one of the first to incorporate these new ideas, where Java now tries to catch up...
Member 10952144 wrote:
I understand your frustrations,
Actually, I don't think you do, but that is my fault. I think a lot of other people thought I was seriously "hating" on Microsoft. My original post was done tongue-in-cheek. I do find it weird that they don't have the LEFT method on a string but it doesn't actually bother me at all. I just wanted to get in on all the hating going on with something silly. :-\ But, you do make good points.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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For one, VB teaches its users to take shortcuts. Like leaving words out of your sentences, and then taking for granted that others will understand what you meant just by context.
Well it seems to me that documenting your code resolves that issue. AND it is easier and quicker to do, and still more productive. Bad programmers will always "take shortcuts". Do not blame that on VB, or any other language, for that matter. The language, any language, doesn't "teach" anything, to a programmer. If you shoot yourself in the foot with a handgun (after completing the required safety training), is it the gun's fault? VB's problem is that it is not "Hip" anymore. Go listen to Billy Joel's "Still Rock and Roll". It is universally applicable.
What's the matter with the clothes I'm wearing? "Can't you tell that your tie's too wide?" Maybe I should buy some old tab collars? "Welcome back to the age of jive.
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So, C# has no left method on a string? :omg: :omg: It would be so easy to add one, lazy Microsoft C# developers. So, use substring. Whoops. Nope. Errors if you give it a length that is longer than the string. I miss VB. :sigh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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So, C# has no left method on a string? :omg: :omg: It would be so easy to add one, lazy Microsoft C# developers. So, use substring. Whoops. Nope. Errors if you give it a length that is longer than the string. I miss VB. :sigh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Wow, go do some string manipulations in ANSI C, that'll give you something to complain about :) As a general rule, the more powerful the language the more responsibility the programmer has for implementing algorithms correctly. Checking bounds before taking a bite out of an array is basic stuff, why should the language hold your hand for that? This kind of thing annoys me about VB, getting back a string that is shorter than the length you specified is like just having the language ignore an exception and give an arbitrary result. It's not what you asked for, and you shouldn't get it. What if code down the line is expecting the string to be that exact length?
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Wow, go do some string manipulations in ANSI C, that'll give you something to complain about :) As a general rule, the more powerful the language the more responsibility the programmer has for implementing algorithms correctly. Checking bounds before taking a bite out of an array is basic stuff, why should the language hold your hand for that? This kind of thing annoys me about VB, getting back a string that is shorter than the length you specified is like just having the language ignore an exception and give an arbitrary result. It's not what you asked for, and you shouldn't get it. What if code down the line is expecting the string to be that exact length?
StatementTerminator wrote:
This kind of thing annoys me about VB, getting back a string that is shorter than the length you specified is like just having the language ignore an exception and give an arbitrary result.
Not even close. It's like being a human. If you asked someone, "hey, give me the first 100 characters of the phrase 'i love VB'", would you expect them to yell at you with an exception or to just return your string? Maybe you think too much like a computer instead of a human. :-\
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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StatementTerminator wrote:
This kind of thing annoys me about VB, getting back a string that is shorter than the length you specified is like just having the language ignore an exception and give an arbitrary result.
Not even close. It's like being a human. If you asked someone, "hey, give me the first 100 characters of the phrase 'i love VB'", would you expect them to yell at you with an exception or to just return your string? Maybe you think too much like a computer instead of a human. :-\
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
If you asked someone, "hey, give me the first 100 characters of the phrase 'i love VB'", would you expect them to yell at you with an exception or to just return your string?
I would expect different answers from different people, which is exactly the point. And yes, I would be the elephanting Vulcan who says that the question is unanswerable, because what is being asked for can't be given.
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My tantrum is directeed to the pile of sunshine that is the .NET framework, in fact I usually make my own libraries anyway. Still for a "framework" so bloated not having a simple and fundamental function is basically an indication of utter failure.
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Yes, just like you, I wouldn't use the .NET Framework for anything, obviously! It doesn't even have a .Left() method on string, for god's sake man! Who make that shit?! :omg: :laugh:
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RyanDev wrote:
If you asked someone, "hey, give me the first 100 characters of the phrase 'i love VB'", would you expect them to yell at you with an exception or to just return your string?
I would expect different answers from different people, which is exactly the point. And yes, I would be the elephanting Vulcan who says that the question is unanswerable, because what is being asked for can't be given.
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So, C# has no left method on a string? :omg: :omg: It would be so easy to add one, lazy Microsoft C# developers. So, use substring. Whoops. Nope. Errors if you give it a length that is longer than the string. I miss VB. :sigh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Add a reference to Visual Basic and just use the left function from VB
string test = "Hello World";
string shortTest = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.Left(test, 5);
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Add a reference to Visual Basic and just use the left function from VB
string test = "Hello World";
string shortTest = Microsoft.VisualBasic.Strings.Left(test, 5);
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So, C# has no left method on a string? :omg: :omg: It would be so easy to add one, lazy Microsoft C# developers. So, use substring. Whoops. Nope. Errors if you give it a length that is longer than the string. I miss VB. :sigh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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So, C# has no left method on a string? :omg: :omg: It would be so easy to add one, lazy Microsoft C# developers. So, use substring. Whoops. Nope. Errors if you give it a length that is longer than the string. I miss VB. :sigh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I miss VB too. Somehow it's very good at dodging bullets. We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Give me the first 100 digits of 10. :laugh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Does...not...compute...*sparks fly* *head explodes* Happy now, VB murderer?
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Give me the first 100 digits of 10. :laugh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
10.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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10.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000