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Who still uses textBook and Tech Manuals as a How to?

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    MarcusCole6833
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    Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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      Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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      Not since the DOS 5.1 manual. Today, we have MSDN.

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        Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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        Nope. I haven't opened a single paper book since I got my tablet in 2012...

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          Nope. I haven't opened a single paper book since I got my tablet in 2012...

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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          I take it your read the manuals in their electronic format?

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            Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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            I still use text books for learning new tech, I'll pick up a Wrox book or something and go through it. I know that's terrible old-fashioned of me, I should really find a tech forum and ask "How to get data from user then store data in database then search data and show results then export to pdf?". Learning how to code an entire discipline from a form post is far more efficient, but I just like wasting my time.

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              Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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              jeron1
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              Yes, when I can, especially when the the text of more than a couple of paragraphs. Sometimes (OK more than sometimes) I need the searchability of electronic documents. For instance some MCUs have mighty large manuals, that you simply can't thumb through in a reasonable amount of time. Though I do tend to print sections of intererst once I find them.

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                Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                "Send codez plz" works for me...

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                  Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                  littleGreenDude
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                  I crack open a book once and a while. Its good to give the ol' eyes a rest from the screen. I also feel that fundamentally its a better approach to build a foundation of knowledge on a development topic, as opposed to just binging your way around from the get go. I have also been known to visit the local library on occasion. :)

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                    Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                    Depending on the layout I generally find it easier to read the "Book form" rather than Digital. It would be nice If i could afford both the Digital and The book form. You can print just some pages better with the digital form and do a string search for the exact term you are looking for. Some of the layouts are just better in the book form and easier for me to follow.

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                      I take it your read the manuals in their electronic format?

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                      Yes - or MSDN / Google. PDF's on the PC can be a pain (they don't like to remember the page you were on, and for a 1000 page book it's not worth adding bookmarks as it takes a while to save) but... they have search facilities which moves them leaps and bounds beyond paper versions.

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                        Not since the DOS 5.1 manual. Today, we have MSDN.

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                        dandy72
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                        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                        Not since the DOS 5.1 manual

                        This must be one rare manual, as Microsoft had jumped straight from version 5.0 to 6.0[^].

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                          Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                          Wastedtalent
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                          I use textbooks sometimes, but more ones that cover processes/design not actual code stuff.

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                            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                            Not since the DOS 5.1 manual

                            This must be one rare manual, as Microsoft had jumped straight from version 5.0 to 6.0[^].

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                            Sigh.. 5.0; twas a big fat reference-manual, with complete syntax for each command; over 500 pages. Later versions did not come with a big manual, but with a small booklet, mostly disclaimer.

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                              Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                              Daniel Pfeffer
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                              When learning a new subject or looking up detailed data about some algorithm (complexity etc.), I use a printed book. When looking up details (e.g. the syntax of the foobar command), I use MSDN or some such.

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                                Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                                I use printed books less every day - and I sure miss them! So, all the time I keep buying new textbooks when I need to learn something new. And I keep missing the old textbooks. Because technical authors these days write for the screen: Detached, disorganized and unstructured, incomplete. No natural progression, no concern about the reader, neither his real needs nor his background. Lots of textbooks nowadays look as if the author has had a brainstorming, simply jotting down elements that he thinks the reader should know of, in the order they came to the author's mind. What didn't come to mind during that brainstorming, doesn't make it into his book. No atttempt is made to draw the big map, making the user understand what is really going on; it is more like trying to minimize the reader's level of understanding, relieve the user from 'having to' know. 'Just do exactly what I tell you to, and you'll be fine!' I truly hate these dozens upon dozens of books with titles like "XXX in three days", "Set up a ZZZ in less than a week", "All you have to know about YYY" - plus all the books with different titles, but with a similar content. I hate those books that tell the reader 'Type so-and-so and press Enter to complete the line', and then on the next page goes ahead telling the reader that 'You can find all the details of CSS if you google around a little'. I have never, ever, met a user who must be told to press Enter, yet capable of understanding how CSS is put together! And finally, I hate those books that, judged from the table of contents, are seemingly well organized, with clearly defined chapter headings, so you can skip topics that - at least at the moment - are completely irrelevant to you (such as "Installing the system on an iMac" or "Translating to languages using non-Western character sets"), but later you realize that those essential details you spent hours finding on the Internet are included in the book, in that chapter on iMac installation: That's where the author made use of that facility. In no way is it iMac specific; in no way is it restricted to installation, and it is certainly not mentioned in the index section. You are forced to read through a lot of irrelevant stuff to make sure that you are not missing out on essential details. What I miss is not the physical paper format as the cohererent, complete, well structured information that you could find in the old books. Nowadays, I have to buy half a dozen books on any given topic, read them all from start to

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                                  Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                                  I tend to buy the Kindle version of a book, if it's available. More and more are being provided that way. It's a lot cheaper for a start.

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                                    Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                                    I've not read paper documentation since I worked in 68k Assembler on an Atari ST... My first proper gig was on a Mac using Metrowerks CodeWarrior to build image manipulation apps for pre-press. Came with 'Inside Macintosh' - on two CDs. I miss books though. There's something really comforting about having pages open next to you that you can flick through, dog ear the corner so you can find it again, and make notes in the margin and such. Halcyon days... Danny

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                                      Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                                      I rarely use paper manuals; they occupy too much space :omg: I love Safari Online, and Google (*enter your own preference*) can be a good friend too. The only problem with searching online is that one needs to sort the wheat from the chaff too much.

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                                        Recently I found myself looking through a textbook to find some data time stuff, and I found it somewhat refreshing to go to an index page then turn to a page? Does anybody else find themselves looking over textbooks and manuals for your questions and how to?

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                                        Mike Marynowski
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                                        Only if vehicle service manuals count as tech manuals :) For whatever reason, it's much more pleasant to have a hard-copy manual to refer to when working on my cars.

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                                          I still use text books for learning new tech, I'll pick up a Wrox book or something and go through it. I know that's terrible old-fashioned of me, I should really find a tech forum and ask "How to get data from user then store data in database then search data and show results then export to pdf?". Learning how to code an entire discipline from a form post is far more efficient, but I just like wasting my time.

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                                          BryanFazekas
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                                          Same here. I buy how-to books when learning something new, although these days I buy them in kindle format as they are a lot lighter. I much prefer hard copy ... but it's much handier to have the book on my phone, tablet, laptop, and desktop. Learning -- hard copy Research -- soft copy Forums can be useful when I'm trying to solve a single problem ... but there's so much chaff that sometimes that isn't easier, either.

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