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  • S Super Lloyd

    I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

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    We decided at work today that an ideal password is "case-insensitive". If you l33t it a bit, it will meet any stupid requirements.

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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    • S Super Lloyd

      I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

      A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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      Lost User
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      Super Lloyd wrote:

      Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :OMG: :mad: :WTF:

      Which is a hundred times more safe than a password based on rediculous rules. It is one of the reasons I do not have a Vodafone-account; they refuse to accept my password :) How does "no spaces" improve security? A: it doesn't, it is just a random rule that is there to give the idea of security - but it also proves that there was 0 thinking going on, which makes me doubt the entire site and its security.

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      • S Super Lloyd

        I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

        A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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        raddevus
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        This is one of the many reasons I wrote the article : Destroy All Passwords: Never Memorize A Password Again[^] Why not draw your password? :D I agree with you about never remembering the password again and just requesting a new one each time. The most secure password is known by no one. :D

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        • M Mark_Wallace

          We decided at work today that an ideal password is "case-insensitive". If you l33t it a bit, it will meet any stupid requirements.

          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          Jeremy Falcon
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          I vote for "Case-Sensitive". It's like "case-insensitive", but all the cool kids are using it.

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          • S Super Lloyd

            I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

            A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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            Jeremy Falcon
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            Obligatory xkcd.[^]

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            • S Super Lloyd

              I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

              A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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              Lost User
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              This is lame. It's much more fun if they add rules like no more than three consecutive letters from your name (and fail to implement it correctly, because two consecutive letters already led to rejection of the password) and require you to change the password at least two times a month. People with names like Max Pax have little problems, but those with longer names and more common combinations practically could not come up with anything they could remember.

              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
              "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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              • J Jeremy Falcon

                I vote for "Case-Sensitive". It's like "case-insensitive", but all the cool kids are using it.

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                Mark_Wallace
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                I don't mix with the cool kids; they're just followers. But you make a good point, so I'll go with "case-desensitised".

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                • S Super Lloyd

                  I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

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                  Ravi Bhavnani
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                  Super Lloyd wrote:

                  On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums)

                  Curious - are you using XForms or for (like me) using C# to build for Android/iOS only? /ravi

                  My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                    Super Lloyd wrote:

                    On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums)

                    Curious - are you using XForms or for (like me) using C# to build for Android/iOS only? /ravi

                    My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                    Super Lloyd
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                    yes, I have been using Xamarin Form for a while now! :) it's great!

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                      There's some intrinsic beauty to you're plan. I don't know what it is but I know it's there.

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                      Super Lloyd
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                      It's genius madness?! :-D

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                      • M Mark_Wallace

                        We decided at work today that an ideal password is "case-insensitive". If you l33t it a bit, it will meet any stupid requirements.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        Stefan_Lang
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                        I always thought of people making up password rules as insensitive in any case ;P

                        GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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                        • S Super Lloyd

                          I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

                          A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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                          Morten Rud Jensen
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                          Sorry but your password must contain an uppercase letter, a number, a haiku, a gang sign, a hieroglyph, and the blood of a virgin.

                          :-D ;P :cool:

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                            Sorry but your password must contain an uppercase letter, a number, a haiku, a gang sign, a hieroglyph, and the blood of a virgin.

                            :-D ;P :cool:

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                            Super Lloyd
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                            I like the haiku requirement! ;P

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                            • S Super Lloyd

                              I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

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                              George Tourtsinakis
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                              Another Microsoft failure on creating a simple form!Lol I laughed a lot with your post.

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                              • L Lost User

                                This is lame. It's much more fun if they add rules like no more than three consecutive letters from your name (and fail to implement it correctly, because two consecutive letters already led to rejection of the password) and require you to change the password at least two times a month. People with names like Max Pax have little problems, but those with longer names and more common combinations practically could not come up with anything they could remember.

                                The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                                "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                                Mister Mxyzptlk is hosed then

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                                • S Super Lloyd

                                  I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

                                  A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!

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                                  David C Thompson
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                                  I always had the idea that the best way to authenticate a user is to rely on their mailbox. 1) User enters email address and clicks the Login button 2) Website sends email to that account with one-time link 3) User clicks one-time link and that authenticates him into the site Thoughts?

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                                  • D David C Thompson

                                    I always had the idea that the best way to authenticate a user is to rely on their mailbox. 1) User enters email address and clicks the Login button 2) Website sends email to that account with one-time link 3) User clicks one-time link and that authenticates him into the site Thoughts?

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                                    Super Lloyd
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                                    It ain't to bad.. Particularly nowadays where one can read personal email on their phone easily!

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                                    • S Super Lloyd

                                      I just did it! On a site I am really interested in! (Xamarin forums) After so many failed attempt at creating password (sorry, to short - 12 characters minimum, sorry must contains a number, sorry must contains an upper case letter, sorry must contains a symbol, sorry contain your name...) (you know what? I bet they are not really sorry!) Just typed some random key in anger in notepad and pasted it! I absolutely intend to forget the password! In fact I don't even know it, won't bother save it! Hey, that's why they have the "I forgot my password" button. This is the new log in button! :omg: :mad: :wtf:

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                                      d shapiro
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                                      In a recent ground-up rebuild of an application, I had a related argument with the project lead/client. I tried insisting that we should include no forced rules, but instead provide a strength meter based on the zxcvbn library. My argument: a users password is a users password and who are we to define what is a "correct" password? Instead, we should warn against perceived password strength and accept what the user provides. Final decision? A password must be at least 7 characters long and contain at least one letter and one number. *sigh* "pass123" is considered a "very strong" password. X|

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                                        In a recent ground-up rebuild of an application, I had a related argument with the project lead/client. I tried insisting that we should include no forced rules, but instead provide a strength meter based on the zxcvbn library. My argument: a users password is a users password and who are we to define what is a "correct" password? Instead, we should warn against perceived password strength and accept what the user provides. Final decision? A password must be at least 7 characters long and contain at least one letter and one number. *sigh* "pass123" is considered a "very strong" password. X|

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                                        Super Lloyd
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                                        Yeah, I know about that, I don't blame the developers! Although.. this is Xamarin[^] we are talking about in this case! I think I should blame the developers here! :laugh:

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                                        • D David C Thompson

                                          I always had the idea that the best way to authenticate a user is to rely on their mailbox. 1) User enters email address and clicks the Login button 2) Website sends email to that account with one-time link 3) User clicks one-time link and that authenticates him into the site Thoughts?

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                                          Andrew Oliver
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                                          Email is a really bad way to provide authentication. There is no standard method for authentication in email clients and email has no guarantees of confidentiality or data integrity in transit. It's used at the moment for password recovery but it's far from ideal. OpenID and OAuth are worth looking into. OpenID for authentication and OAuth for authorisation.

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