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  • B B Clay Shannon

    I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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    "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Albert Einstein

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    • B B Clay Shannon

      I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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      Duncan Edwards Jones
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      No - he was making a point about not using an impossible explanation for something simply because it is "simpler"... like magic or supernatural occurrence.

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      • B B Clay Shannon

        I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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        den2k88
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        He's just applying Occam's Razor with a clause: don't oversimplify things by making up steps.

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        • B B Clay Shannon

          I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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          B. Clay Shannon wrote:

          ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex

          An example, please; "simple" does not mean the fewest possible characters as possible, that would be obfuscation in C++ style. That's why "not simpeler" is included.

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          • B B Clay Shannon

            I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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            B. Clay Shannon wrote:

            if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further.

            Which doesn't stop people from trying - I think his point is made.

            Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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              B. Clay Shannon wrote:

              ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex

              An example, please; "simple" does not mean the fewest possible characters as possible, that would be obfuscation in C++ style. That's why "not simpeler" is included.

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              Please... Obfuscation newbie-style is far more advanced. In high school a (female, good-loking) classmate asked me for help for the laboratory classwork. Leaving apart the fact that there were over 40 variables and the task was trivial - they were named... A, B, C, D, E ... AA, AB, AC... Of course without comments or anything. More obfuscated than THAT? Her brain.

              GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani

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                "Don't believe everything you read on the internet." - Albert Einstein

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                That was Newton.

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                • B B Clay Shannon

                  I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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                  I think you're simply failing to appreciate that the word 'simple' is simply being used with two distinct, simple meanings; in the first case 'easy to understand or mentally manipulate', in the second 'idiotic', neither of which, incidentally necessarily conforms exactly to your imposed meaning of 'not complex'. In doing so you have highlighted the simple problem with all positivist interpretations of language, simple rigidity!

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                    That was Newton.

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                    den2k88
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                    I thought it was Newton-John.

                    GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani

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                    • B B Clay Shannon

                      I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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                      Mark_Wallace
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                      It's perfectly normal; he's using different inflections of the word. I.e. If a task is complex, then find the simplest way to handle the complexity -- but don't make the task less complex. E.g. building a car is a complex task, which has been made simpler and simpler over the years by people applying thought to processes and automation, and by improvements in technology -- but it would be pretty damned stupid to make the task simpler by removing all wheels from the design.

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                      • B B Clay Shannon

                        I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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                        Einstein was the first one without saying to first having believed to make known what some barely understood favets of the cosmic system possessed to the point to anuerism, taking knowledge from demons crashed in the forties in new mexico as an end times means to deceive as knowledge is already simple, but relativity is the idea there is no set right and wrong, just like the serpent said in the garden

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                          Einstein was the first one without saying to first having believed to make known what some barely understood favets of the cosmic system possessed to the point to anuerism, taking knowledge from demons crashed in the forties in new mexico as an end times means to deceive as knowledge is already simple, but relativity is the idea there is no set right and wrong, just like the serpent said in the garden

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                          Aaaarrghhh!!!! Not again! MEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                          • B B Clay Shannon

                            I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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                            No, he was not. He was merely saying that oversimplyfication is as bad as unneeded complexity.

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                              Einstein was the first one without saying to first having believed to make known what some barely understood favets of the cosmic system possessed to the point to anuerism, taking knowledge from demons crashed in the forties in new mexico as an end times means to deceive as knowledge is already simple, but relativity is the idea there is no set right and wrong, just like the serpent said in the garden

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                              marie915 wrote:

                              but relativity is the idea there is no set right and wrong, just like the serpent said in the garden

                              How does one get that from 'sssssssssss'?

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                                Einstein was the first one without saying to first having believed to make known what some barely understood favets of the cosmic system possessed to the point to anuerism, taking knowledge from demons crashed in the forties in new mexico as an end times means to deceive as knowledge is already simple, but relativity is the idea there is no set right and wrong, just like the serpent said in the garden

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                WTF are you smoking?

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                                  marie915 wrote:

                                  but relativity is the idea there is no set right and wrong, just like the serpent said in the garden

                                  How does one get that from 'sssssssssss'?

                                  "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                                  jeron1 wrote:

                                  'sssssssssss'

                                  It's all in the variable frequency and intonation of 's'

                                  #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                    jeron1 wrote:

                                    'sssssssssss'

                                    It's all in the variable frequency and intonation of 's'

                                    #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                    Ahh that very well may explain why I failed Serpent in school! :laugh:

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                                      Einstein was the first one without saying to first having believed to make known what some barely understood favets of the cosmic system possessed to the point to anuerism, taking knowledge from demons crashed in the forties in new mexico as an end times means to deceive as knowledge is already simple, but relativity is the idea there is no set right and wrong, just like the serpent said in the garden

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                                      I live in the Netherlands, but even the stuff that's legal here doesn't result in people talking the guff you're spouting.

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                                        I live in the Netherlands, but even the stuff that's legal here doesn't result in people talking the guff you're spouting.

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                                        You know the crap at the end of spam, this guy is the author!

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                                        • B B Clay Shannon

                                          I saw Einstein's famous quote about the need for simplicity on slashdot today: "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstein ...but then realized that the quote itself as not as simple as possible, because the potentially simple sentence is complex - the ending clause is redundant, for if something is already as simple as possible, it's impossible to simplify it further. Was he of the wild hair pulling our leg?

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                                          B. Clay Shannon wrote:

                                          the ending clause is redundant,

                                          Because some people try to make things too simple. Management, for example, when in their simple mind, something should be doable in a day, when it actually takes weeks or months. But what he's really getting at is the balance between complexity and simplicity. It's the balance we all face as programmers and some of us are totally ignorant of. VB / Javascript / Ruby / Python / et al. programmer: cut and paste the code Everyone else: Oh, I'm about to duplicate this code, let me make a function. VB / Javascript / Ruby / Python / et al. programmer: Wow, look at my cool function, it's 10000 lines long! Everyone else: Ew, this is getting gross, let me break this apart so it's readable and self-documenting. And so forth. Marc

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