Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2016
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These stats are ridiculous. Most developers are between 25-29 and yet the second most years of experience are 11+ years. OK, I get that 14 year old's are doing stuff, but I wouldn't count that as "professional" experience. > This isn’t necessarily professional experience Hah. Then, 28% (the largest group) consider themselves full-stack web developers, but in the Programmers, Engineers, and Developers chart, "Full-Stack Developer" ranks 5th. How does that correlate??? Maybe I'm just annoyed because I rank in the 3% age group. :laugh: Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Marc Clifton wrote:
Maybe I'm just annoyed because I rank in the 3% age group. :laugh:
I found that stat rather depressing (I'm currently knocking rather hard on that particular door). Bearing in mind that there must have been a point when I worked with people who were older than myself, I find myself wondering where they've all gone. I suspect they fall into the following groups: 1) People who bothered to save some money and actually got to retire (curse them for their foresight and diligence!) 2) People who optimised one query too many and now live in the happy house. 3) People who decided to abandon their practical skills and became project managers or something even less useful. 4) People who realised that they'd always wanted to be a lion tamer or some such thing and went off and did it after a bad day on the Javascript. 5) People who died prematurely from a combination of eye-strain and a primarily pizza-based diet. Most of these outcomes seem a tad sub-optimal to me, yet still I meet youngsters who want to be developers. The world gets crazier by the day!
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Delphi ? Delphi ????
I asked myself the same question...Delphi?? WTF!? :sigh:
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Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2016 Results[^] I don't care if this is a Leslie, so save your breath. With that said, I love this statistical research stuff, and I found the results this year to be interesting. Javascript is most popular programming language, stuff like that... The chart on Star Wars vs. Star Trek was hilarious, but predictable. Old farts love Star Trek more than Star Wars, but we all knew that already. Enjoy, or not. :) Stack Overflow Research[^]
These were originally published back in March ;P
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Maybe I'm just annoyed because I rank in the 3% age group. :laugh:
I found that stat rather depressing (I'm currently knocking rather hard on that particular door). Bearing in mind that there must have been a point when I worked with people who were older than myself, I find myself wondering where they've all gone. I suspect they fall into the following groups: 1) People who bothered to save some money and actually got to retire (curse them for their foresight and diligence!) 2) People who optimised one query too many and now live in the happy house. 3) People who decided to abandon their practical skills and became project managers or something even less useful. 4) People who realised that they'd always wanted to be a lion tamer or some such thing and went off and did it after a bad day on the Javascript. 5) People who died prematurely from a combination of eye-strain and a primarily pizza-based diet. Most of these outcomes seem a tad sub-optimal to me, yet still I meet youngsters who want to be developers. The world gets crazier by the day!
PeejayAdams wrote:
Bearing in mind that there must have been a point when I worked with people who were older than myself, I find myself wondering where they've all gone.
When I was 24, one of "older" people died of lung cancer from smoking Camel cigs. He was 35 :( But in general, I've always worked with older people, particularly hardware engineers, and quite enjoyed it and learned a lot, even about software development, particularly testing. I've also almost always been the sole development "team", whether as an employee or a consultant. Now I find myself with three of 20 - 24 year olds, and I wonder, where is the respect? Where is the interest? And I wonder, was I like that, disrespectful, uninterested, eager to prove my abilities? The last point yes, the first two, I would say no, but you'd have to ask the older folks for their version. :) Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
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PeejayAdams wrote:
Bearing in mind that there must have been a point when I worked with people who were older than myself, I find myself wondering where they've all gone.
When I was 24, one of "older" people died of lung cancer from smoking Camel cigs. He was 35 :( But in general, I've always worked with older people, particularly hardware engineers, and quite enjoyed it and learned a lot, even about software development, particularly testing. I've also almost always been the sole development "team", whether as an employee or a consultant. Now I find myself with three of 20 - 24 year olds, and I wonder, where is the respect? Where is the interest? And I wonder, was I like that, disrespectful, uninterested, eager to prove my abilities? The last point yes, the first two, I would say no, but you'd have to ask the older folks for their version. :) Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Marc Clifton wrote:
Now I find myself with three of 20 - 24 year olds, and I wonder, where is the respect? Where is the interest? And I wonder, was I like that, disrespectful, uninterested, eager to prove my abilities?
I think that very much depends on individuals, I've worked with some great youngsters and a few who were, well, let's just say, not so great. There may be a difference in that people these days leave school much later. By the time I started as a developer at around 24, I'd had four or five other jobs over 8 years so was a bit more used to dealing with older folks. I'd also (quite literally) shoveled s*** for a living so didn't have the arrogance that comes with a shiny new degree in Computer Science. That said, I still had that bit of an egotistical streak that said "I can be better at this than you old-timers." To a certain extent, that's a natural and indeed, positive trait in younger people and it needs to be there. The question is more one of how it manifests itself - "I can learn from you and go on to become better" is a perfectly healthy attitude whereas "Leave it out, Granddad! You can't teach me anything" is not quite so constructive. We can probably guess which ones will still be around to get called Granddad ... Rather amusingly, my sister - a primary school teacher - was recently asked in all innocence by one of her 10 year-old charges "Miss? Did they have technology when you were young?" As I remember it, we did have the wheel but were still struggling with perpetual motion so things can't have changed all that much :)
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It's been while since I saw it. Indeed that a good statistics.
Be careful, though. Take VIII. Desktop Operating System for example. If you tab through the past few years, the migration looks striking: "Mac OS X is taking over the world!" But if you add up the total Windows OS bars in each year, you get a different picture: There has been virtually no shifts in 4 years between the big three (Win ~ 50% / OSX ~ 20-25% / Lin ~ 20% // 2013-2016). The visual design of this particular graph is remarkably deceiving.
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Be careful, though. Take VIII. Desktop Operating System for example. If you tab through the past few years, the migration looks striking: "Mac OS X is taking over the world!" But if you add up the total Windows OS bars in each year, you get a different picture: There has been virtually no shifts in 4 years between the big three (Win ~ 50% / OSX ~ 20-25% / Lin ~ 20% // 2013-2016). The visual design of this particular graph is remarkably deceiving.
Let's SO figure it out.
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These stats are ridiculous. Most developers are between 25-29 and yet the second most years of experience are 11+ years. OK, I get that 14 year old's are doing stuff, but I wouldn't count that as "professional" experience. > This isn’t necessarily professional experience Hah. Then, 28% (the largest group) consider themselves full-stack web developers, but in the Programmers, Engineers, and Developers chart, "Full-Stack Developer" ranks 5th. How does that correlate??? Maybe I'm just annoyed because I rank in the 3% age group. :laugh: Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
0.8% :wtf:
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Maybe I'm just annoyed because I rank in the 3% age group. :laugh:
I found that stat rather depressing (I'm currently knocking rather hard on that particular door). Bearing in mind that there must have been a point when I worked with people who were older than myself, I find myself wondering where they've all gone. I suspect they fall into the following groups: 1) People who bothered to save some money and actually got to retire (curse them for their foresight and diligence!) 2) People who optimised one query too many and now live in the happy house. 3) People who decided to abandon their practical skills and became project managers or something even less useful. 4) People who realised that they'd always wanted to be a lion tamer or some such thing and went off and did it after a bad day on the Javascript. 5) People who died prematurely from a combination of eye-strain and a primarily pizza-based diet. Most of these outcomes seem a tad sub-optimal to me, yet still I meet youngsters who want to be developers. The world gets crazier by the day!
- One flew over the cuckoo's nest
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2016 Results[^] I don't care if this is a Leslie, so save your breath. With that said, I love this statistical research stuff, and I found the results this year to be interesting. Javascript is most popular programming language, stuff like that... The chart on Star Wars vs. Star Trek was hilarious, but predictable. Old farts love Star Trek more than Star Wars, but we all knew that already. Enjoy, or not. :) Stack Overflow Research[^]
It actually surprised me the back-end winner (that is Javascript). I expected the reason was because of Node.js , but it actually consumes the 13% of the votes (when Javascript totalized more than 50%) So, i d ask, is it because of OPA, CommonJS, and Vertx?