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Who's the Data Custodian in your app?

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  • I Ian Klek

    So for us British, European, maybe even US folks at least, we have something called the Data Protection Act, which ultimately means we "should" be careful with other peoples data and not retain it longer than we need. The thing is, as a software developer, do we know who is responsible for the data contained within the database driven apps we release? I would say it's whoever owns the app? What about building apps in-house? The Chief Exec?

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    I think it depends on the company. Where I work its in house development of Insurance back office system. We hold regular audit reviews by each department team leader(s). Our parent company then on top of that have Yearly company audits and then Group Internal Audits every 2 years repeating depending on how you fair with the audit. We also have security audits on top of that which look at the access of property / systems etc.

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    • I Ian Klek

      So for us British, European, maybe even US folks at least, we have something called the Data Protection Act, which ultimately means we "should" be careful with other peoples data and not retain it longer than we need. The thing is, as a software developer, do we know who is responsible for the data contained within the database driven apps we release? I would say it's whoever owns the app? What about building apps in-house? The Chief Exec?

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      Mark_Wallace
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      You should be asking that of Kornfeld, in the thread directly above this one.

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      • I Ian Klek

        So for us British, European, maybe even US folks at least, we have something called the Data Protection Act, which ultimately means we "should" be careful with other peoples data and not retain it longer than we need. The thing is, as a software developer, do we know who is responsible for the data contained within the database driven apps we release? I would say it's whoever owns the app? What about building apps in-house? The Chief Exec?

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        Mycroft Holmes
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        Last year we were tasked with reverse engineering a legacy app, we could not find anyone willing to admit they owned the data and that was from the POV of we want to fix this for you, not you fucked up and we want to put your ass in a sling. So I guess DP was low on their priority list (there was no personal data involved).

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        • T Tim Carmichael

          This general concept is discovered frequently in the group I work in. We collect operating data, not necessarily personal data, from various pieces of equipment, sensors, meters, etc. And we keep that data... seemingly forever. We do have some regulatory requirements to hold certain data for 'X' number of years; after that time period, we can LEGALLY dispose/delete the data. If we delete the data as we are allowed to do, then, in the event of a legal action, we cannot provide data we don't have - which may benefit the company. However, from the perspective of seeing how something performed over time, we may need more than 'X' number of years of data to see a long term trend... think of very large turbines for example. They may have a service life of 20 to 30 years. So... it is an interesting topic to say the least.

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          Ian Klek
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          Thanks for the reply, Time. So, it appears that your team as developers take it upon yourselves to police the data situation?

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          • L Lost User

            Don't even know whether or not we need one :)

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            Ian Klek
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            haha, well, someone will be responsible and effectively have that "role" of custodian, whether they know it or not. I guess we only realise when the xxxx hits the fan.

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            • N Nagy Vilmos

              The DPA refers to the storage of the data. So if you are storing data, you must comply with the Act even if you are just holding it as part of a SaaS set-up,

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              Ian Klek
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              Indeed! right on

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              • S Simon_Whale

                I think it depends on the company. Where I work its in house development of Insurance back office system. We hold regular audit reviews by each department team leader(s). Our parent company then on top of that have Yearly company audits and then Group Internal Audits every 2 years repeating depending on how you fair with the audit. We also have security audits on top of that which look at the access of property / systems etc.

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                Ian Klek
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                Sure, so you reckon the audit team are checking that the DPA is adhered too?

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                • I Ian Klek

                  Sure, so you reckon the audit team are checking that the DPA is adhered too?

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                  Simon_Whale
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                  Yes, through many different auditing departments.

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                    Yes, through many different auditing departments.

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                    Ian Klek
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                    Interesting, thanks

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                    • M Mycroft Holmes

                      Last year we were tasked with reverse engineering a legacy app, we could not find anyone willing to admit they owned the data and that was from the POV of we want to fix this for you, not you fucked up and we want to put your ass in a sling. So I guess DP was low on their priority list (there was no personal data involved).

                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                      Herbie Mountjoy
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                      So, all the comanies that I have had no dealings with for the past 10 years, who are still sending me mailing shots, are probably in breach? Hmmm...

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                      • I Ian Klek

                        So for us British, European, maybe even US folks at least, we have something called the Data Protection Act, which ultimately means we "should" be careful with other peoples data and not retain it longer than we need. The thing is, as a software developer, do we know who is responsible for the data contained within the database driven apps we release? I would say it's whoever owns the app? What about building apps in-house? The Chief Exec?

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                        Dave Myers LTC
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                        This may (or may not) have been said already. As a database administrator, we were always told that WE were the custodians of the data, but the Application team OWNED the data. Meaning, we were responsible for the routine maintenance, consistency, and availability of the data while the Application team was responsible for the Content

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