Michael Moore/black folks
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Our office is quite diverse. I've seen no signs of discrimination. The entire industry is quite diverse actually. By industry I don't mean programming I mean DoD contractors. I will not pretend to be naive though, companies (at least in the US) that are more diverse receive more government contracts. The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). From what I've seen there are enough minority employees to adequately represent their percentage of the population. nay
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Christian Graus wrote: Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? Most of the dark skinned people working here are the Indian engineers.
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Shog9 wrote: Most of the dark skinned people working here are the Indian engineers. According to Moore, it's not colour, but being a physical reminder of the US's past policy of slavery that counts. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Our office is quite diverse. I've seen no signs of discrimination. The entire industry is quite diverse actually. By industry I don't mean programming I mean DoD contractors. I will not pretend to be naive though, companies (at least in the US) that are more diverse receive more government contracts. The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). From what I've seen there are enough minority employees to adequately represent their percentage of the population. nay
I wonder how likely it is that tech industries, being younger, don't have this sort of thing compared to older corporations ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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What happened in 1970 ? ( sorry for being seriously ignorant here, was the date arbitrary, or not ? ) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
In 1964 the Civil Rights Act was passed. This was following in 1965 with the Voting Rights Act. Through the 1950s and 1960s there were many laws declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court on the basis of race. By 1968, when Martin Luther King was assasinated, the civil rights laws were pretty much in place. Since then it's been largely waiting for old racists to die and for the new racists to be slapped around like the idiots they are (i.e a handful of Denny's not serving, or giving inferior service to, black customers.) People like Michael Moore confuse people being against affirmative action (forced discrimination meant to right old wrongs) for racism. I think most Americans agree with forcing companies which have a history of discrimination to hire more minorities, but most are against applying affirmative action to everything. Unfortunately, political correctness now labels the latter "racism." Thus, if you believe blacks should be awarded merely for the color of their skin, you are progressive.
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Our office is quite diverse. I've seen no signs of discrimination. The entire industry is quite diverse actually. By industry I don't mean programming I mean DoD contractors. I will not pretend to be naive though, companies (at least in the US) that are more diverse receive more government contracts. The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). From what I've seen there are enough minority employees to adequately represent their percentage of the population. nay
nay wrote: The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). LOL! I spent a summer interning in Troy at Troy State. For me Alabama lived up to every bit of it's reputation; I'll never live or work there again. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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In 1964 the Civil Rights Act was passed. This was following in 1965 with the Voting Rights Act. Through the 1950s and 1960s there were many laws declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court on the basis of race. By 1968, when Martin Luther King was assasinated, the civil rights laws were pretty much in place. Since then it's been largely waiting for old racists to die and for the new racists to be slapped around like the idiots they are (i.e a handful of Denny's not serving, or giving inferior service to, black customers.) People like Michael Moore confuse people being against affirmative action (forced discrimination meant to right old wrongs) for racism. I think most Americans agree with forcing companies which have a history of discrimination to hire more minorities, but most are against applying affirmative action to everything. Unfortunately, political correctness now labels the latter "racism." Thus, if you believe blacks should be awarded merely for the color of their skin, you are progressive.
It's a valid point. For example, everyone who works here is a white male. The simple reason is that that is who applies for a job here. One of our bosses is dark skinned, so it seems ridiculous to suggest there is more to it than that, and I've spoken with him about how they'd be just as happy to hire a female, if an appropriately qualified one applied. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
I think that he does not have an idea of what racism is. In US, even a racial joke can make you the target of a litigation. I don't know about other places in US, but here in NY everything seems to be alright on a racial level. I have been here for only 2 years, so I don't know what people think and whether the remnants of the old prejudices still exist; but even if it is there, people don't show it. Thomas My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Our office is quite diverse. I've seen no signs of discrimination. The entire industry is quite diverse actually. By industry I don't mean programming I mean DoD contractors. I will not pretend to be naive though, companies (at least in the US) that are more diverse receive more government contracts. The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). From what I've seen there are enough minority employees to adequately represent their percentage of the population. nay
nay wrote: I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US I thought that "honor" went to Mississippi. Or was that the most backward?
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Oh, OK. I thought it was earlier than that. Tim Smith wrote: But to be perfectly honest, doesn't every country have small pockets of twits. No, I think we have more than small pockets here. :-) Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Well, the civil war was in the late 1800s. That made the slaves free, but the dirty little secret is that both the south and the north still considered blacks to be second class citizens. The north has been very dishonest about racism. Hell, even California was racists. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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Well, the civil war was in the late 1800s. That made the slaves free, but the dirty little secret is that both the south and the north still considered blacks to be second class citizens. The north has been very dishonest about racism. Hell, even California was racists. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Yeah, I just saw 'Gangs of New York'. A very disturbing movie IMO. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
This is a list of my direct supervisor for my previous four jobs: 1- black male 2- white female 3- white male (business owner was black female) 4- black female (at time of hire... she moved so now its a white female(5)) I've been able to tell little difference between co-workers or managers based solely on gender or race. Some people are good at what they do , others aren't. As far as socially, I've met blacks who are strongly prejudiced against whites, and vice cersa, but I've met more people who joke around about race either way(black/white/hispanic/asian/silver/blue), but when it comes down to it don't really give it much thought. BW "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
The title should tell you his opinion on the matter. Mr Moore was never one to let the facts stand in the way of his opinions, and is perfectly happy to fabricate things as he goes along. Is there racism in the US? Yes. Is it widely practiced? That depends on who you ask. Remember also that the US isn't just black and white. We are White, Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, Muslim, Native american indian, Indian from the subcontinent indian, pacific islander, etc. In fact, the largest ethnic group after white european is latino. Then there are people who are mixed race, like Jeb Bush's kids. So the answer is yes, no, and kind of.
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The title should tell you his opinion on the matter. Mr Moore was never one to let the facts stand in the way of his opinions, and is perfectly happy to fabricate things as he goes along. Is there racism in the US? Yes. Is it widely practiced? That depends on who you ask. Remember also that the US isn't just black and white. We are White, Black, Latino, Asian, Jewish, Muslim, Native american indian, Indian from the subcontinent indian, pacific islander, etc. In fact, the largest ethnic group after white european is latino. Then there are people who are mixed race, like Jeb Bush's kids. So the answer is yes, no, and kind of.
Stuart van Weele wrote: the largest ethnic group after white european ...and don't forget that group is made up of Irish, British, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish, Russian, etc... ad infinitum... Mike Mullikin :beer:
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. I would agree with you. Two months ago a fellow employee showed me that book and I read through about three chapters. I think he comes across like he knows about every problem ever and he should tell the world about it. I have to say that the story about the kid getting kicked out of school for wearing a Pepsi t-shirt when the rest of the school was suppose to wear Coca-Cola shirt made me think a little (Good job on Pepsi sending him all that stuff too when they found out about it). -Nick Parker
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nay wrote: The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). LOL! I spent a summer interning in Troy at Troy State. For me Alabama lived up to every bit of it's reputation; I'll never live or work there again. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
I've worked in Detroit for a while. There was so much racism there. It was amazing how the people there hate. I've not encountered racism like that here. The stereotype for Alabama was earned decades ago. I think it's fallen away. Especially just in my 27 years. Things have changed since I was a kid. nay
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Its a lie to say racism or discrimination does not exist in America, but its not as bad as it used to be. I do think its more of a problem among older people and in more rural areas of the south and some civil war border states. I still hear comments now and then where I grew up, about "darkies", "blacks", and an occasional "nigger", and it makes me cringe everytime I hear it. But those comments are usually coming from the older generations and the rednecks.
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nay wrote: I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US I thought that "honor" went to Mississippi. Or was that the most backward?
Joe Woodbury wrote: I thought that "honor" went to Mississippi. No, Selma and Rosa Parks. Birmingham church bombing, and Gov. Wallace not allowing people of "color" into college. Those are the things that I hear referred to when I hear Alabama in the news. The thing is that the most recent of those happend in the 60's. Makes me cringe. Joe Woodbury wrote: Or was that the most backward? Mississippi has the honor of being one of the least educated states in the US. Then Arkansas. Then Alabama. Our motto is "Hey... at least we're not Mississippi!" nay
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I'd like some US opinions.
Christian, what was your intention with your question? to hear opinions from "white" america? are there any statements from not "white" americans here? zackThe beauty of the net is I cannot tell what colour the respondents are. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
I recall the turmoil of the racial equality movement, but with the memory of a child. While growing up in a white suburb of LA in California I never saw blacks (other than on television) until I was a teenager. Looking back I can see that there was little opportunity for them above menial jobs then, but in my working life I've never seen any form of discrimination against them. I have seen many claimed abuses, but each case was a complete fabrication by the claimant, and many attempted to gain unearned favor by threatening to claim discrimination. Today, instead of being surrounded by politically correct, sensitive California Liberals, I'm in a community of redneck assholes, and I see no evidence whatsoever of any kind of prejudice even here. Black folks are welcomed in public places, hold jobs equal to any white citizen, and are argued with, called names, and invited outside to fight or engage in a spitting contest just like white folks. The rednecks have even been known to help a black neighbor take the wheels off his new house more than once in recent memory. Michael Moore is a complete imbecile, and always has been, and the louder he pontificates, the less he knows about any given subject. Don't waste the salt, just put the book where it belongs - in the dumpster. "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom