Michael Moore/black folks
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. I would agree with you. Two months ago a fellow employee showed me that book and I read through about three chapters. I think he comes across like he knows about every problem ever and he should tell the world about it. I have to say that the story about the kid getting kicked out of school for wearing a Pepsi t-shirt when the rest of the school was suppose to wear Coca-Cola shirt made me think a little (Good job on Pepsi sending him all that stuff too when they found out about it). -Nick Parker
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nay wrote: The thing that will floor you, though, is that I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US (But that is a rant for another day). LOL! I spent a summer interning in Troy at Troy State. For me Alabama lived up to every bit of it's reputation; I'll never live or work there again. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
I've worked in Detroit for a while. There was so much racism there. It was amazing how the people there hate. I've not encountered racism like that here. The stereotype for Alabama was earned decades ago. I think it's fallen away. Especially just in my 27 years. Things have changed since I was a kid. nay
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Its a lie to say racism or discrimination does not exist in America, but its not as bad as it used to be. I do think its more of a problem among older people and in more rural areas of the south and some civil war border states. I still hear comments now and then where I grew up, about "darkies", "blacks", and an occasional "nigger", and it makes me cringe everytime I hear it. But those comments are usually coming from the older generations and the rednecks.
Jason Henderson
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nay wrote: I live and work in Alabama. Stereotypically the most racist state in the US I thought that "honor" went to Mississippi. Or was that the most backward?
Joe Woodbury wrote: I thought that "honor" went to Mississippi. No, Selma and Rosa Parks. Birmingham church bombing, and Gov. Wallace not allowing people of "color" into college. Those are the things that I hear referred to when I hear Alabama in the news. The thing is that the most recent of those happend in the 60's. Makes me cringe. Joe Woodbury wrote: Or was that the most backward? Mississippi has the honor of being one of the least educated states in the US. Then Arkansas. Then Alabama. Our motto is "Hey... at least we're not Mississippi!" nay
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I'd like some US opinions.
Christian, what was your intention with your question? to hear opinions from "white" america? are there any statements from not "white" americans here? zackThe beauty of the net is I cannot tell what colour the respondents are. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
I recall the turmoil of the racial equality movement, but with the memory of a child. While growing up in a white suburb of LA in California I never saw blacks (other than on television) until I was a teenager. Looking back I can see that there was little opportunity for them above menial jobs then, but in my working life I've never seen any form of discrimination against them. I have seen many claimed abuses, but each case was a complete fabrication by the claimant, and many attempted to gain unearned favor by threatening to claim discrimination. Today, instead of being surrounded by politically correct, sensitive California Liberals, I'm in a community of redneck assholes, and I see no evidence whatsoever of any kind of prejudice even here. Black folks are welcomed in public places, hold jobs equal to any white citizen, and are argued with, called names, and invited outside to fight or engage in a spitting contest just like white folks. The rednecks have even been known to help a black neighbor take the wheels off his new house more than once in recent memory. Michael Moore is a complete imbecile, and always has been, and the louder he pontificates, the less he knows about any given subject. Don't waste the salt, just put the book where it belongs - in the dumpster. "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
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The beauty of the net is I cannot tell what colour the respondents are. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: The beauty of the net is I cannot tell what colour the respondents are. Well just for your edification, I'm purple. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
I don't know why your post is rated only a 2, I rated it 5. As far as I can see, racism in America is fairly minimal. I mean, the situation could be better but it is a damn sight better than it was 20 or 30 years ago. I think most racism today comes from people that grew up before the 80s. Racism against colored people in the US will be almost unnoticable 20 or 30 years from now IMO. Brad Jennings "You're mom is nice. Mind if I go out with her?" - Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Its a lie to say racism or discrimination does not exist in America, but its not as bad as it used to be. I do think its more of a problem among older people and in more rural areas of the south and some civil war border states. I still hear comments now and then where I grew up, about "darkies", "blacks", and an occasional "nigger", and it makes me cringe everytime I hear it. But those comments are usually coming from the older generations and the rednecks.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - GandhiI totally agree, though I was a little afraid to say redneck in my post. Hell, my parents are racist so I know all about the racist comments that are said. I don't cringe at racist remarks but they infuriate me a little. Brad Jennings "You're mom is nice. Mind if I go out with her?" - Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Christian Graus wrote: The beauty of the net is I cannot tell what colour the respondents are. Well just for your edification, I'm purple. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002
And I'm orange. And IMO, all "whites" are actually "pink" if you ask me. :)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Make of this what you will; When I first visited London I was amazed to see white bus drivers, white beggars, white street cleaners, white janitors and white subway cleaners. I was even pretty amazed to see white Burger King attendants. You just don't see that here (here being South Africa.)
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er Shog9: Paul "The human happy pill" Watson
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I'm reading 'Stupid White Men' at the moment, and I must say that it's alternating between disturbing, and disturbingly obvious propoganda. Anyhow, he claims that black people are still widely discriminated against in the US, and cites employment as one area where the discrimination is widespread. Do people in the US agree ? Are the only dark skinned folks in your office the ones who empty the bins ? That's what Moore claims, and as I am fast deciding he needs to be taken with a grain of salt, I'd like some US opinions. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
From outside the US I can see its not simple. Colin Powell was once asked if he had faced discrimination in the army and he hadn't. I've know someone who spent half her childhood in the US who did. In short, I doubt if individual responses can give us a clear answer, but hopefully things are continuing to improve (everywhere, not just the US). Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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Stuart van Weele wrote: the largest ethnic group after white european ...and don't forget that group is made up of Irish, British, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish, Russian, etc... ad infinitum... Mike Mullikin :beer:
Capitalism - Coming to a Country Near You!!
But everyone is in an ethnic group of some kind..... Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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The beauty of the net is I cannot tell what colour the respondents are. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
A well deserved 5 Christian :cool: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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And I'm orange. And IMO, all "whites" are actually "pink" if you ask me. :)
Regards,Rohit Sinha
...celebrating Indian spirit and Cricket. 8MB video, really cool!
There was a british comedy show years ago with a sketch about people and colour. An indian woman (I think it was Meera Syal) made the following observation: You get browned off You get the blues You have a yellow streak You get green around the gills You suffer from black moods (depression) You go white with shock You're in the pink And you call us coloured ! :laugh: Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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I recall the turmoil of the racial equality movement, but with the memory of a child. While growing up in a white suburb of LA in California I never saw blacks (other than on television) until I was a teenager. Looking back I can see that there was little opportunity for them above menial jobs then, but in my working life I've never seen any form of discrimination against them. I have seen many claimed abuses, but each case was a complete fabrication by the claimant, and many attempted to gain unearned favor by threatening to claim discrimination. Today, instead of being surrounded by politically correct, sensitive California Liberals, I'm in a community of redneck assholes, and I see no evidence whatsoever of any kind of prejudice even here. Black folks are welcomed in public places, hold jobs equal to any white citizen, and are argued with, called names, and invited outside to fight or engage in a spitting contest just like white folks. The rednecks have even been known to help a black neighbor take the wheels off his new house more than once in recent memory. Michael Moore is a complete imbecile, and always has been, and the louder he pontificates, the less he knows about any given subject. Don't waste the salt, just put the book where it belongs - in the dumpster. "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
Very good reply, and thanks for the rednecks point of view - they rarely get mentioned outside of stereotypes. One little question though. Why folks in italics ? I think I know why, but would like to hear from you so I'm not misinterppreting and make sure others understand. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D [edit] Oh - and a 5 for a very informative reply [/edit]
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But everyone is in an ethnic group of some kind..... Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D
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Very good reply, and thanks for the rednecks point of view - they rarely get mentioned outside of stereotypes. One little question though. Why folks in italics ? I think I know why, but would like to hear from you so I'm not misinterppreting and make sure others understand. Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D [edit] Oh - and a 5 for a very informative reply [/edit]
Trollslayer wrote: Why folks in italics ? I used italics because that term is not one I would use. In this country blacks will use the term, along with whites who are insecure about what to call them. There have been so many politically correct terms for people of color in this country in the past 4 decades... I think (but can't prove) that the term black folks is a subconcious way to avoid calling them people left over from the bad old days. There are many whites who feel uncertain of how to behave around blacks, but these days I see it more as an excessive effort to avoid offense than as a derogatory act. Blacks still face many challenges in this country, but the vast majority of them are either due to poverty - and such problems are shared by every other poor person, including whites - or are self-inflicted by an attitude of entitlement. "Please don't put cigarette butts in the urinal. It makes them soggy and hard to light" - Sign in a Bullhead City, AZ Restroom
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I've worked in Detroit for a while. There was so much racism there. It was amazing how the people there hate. I've not encountered racism like that here. The stereotype for Alabama was earned decades ago. I think it's fallen away. Especially just in my 27 years. Things have changed since I was a kid. nay
I had my bad experiance in Bama back in '92. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton