Lest we forget - Religion is...
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It appears to me that your comments are not so much anti-religion, but anti-proselytization. Religion is also the solace for many people; who are you to denigrate their need?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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aaryan42 wrote:
Religion is like crack. If you give it to the kids early enough, they'll be hooked on it for life.
Quite the contrary, in fact. Several studies show that those denominations and faiths that demand most in the way of religious expression from young children suffer the highest adult rejection rates.
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Maybe in the west. How many Hindus and Muslims reject their religion? I'm not quoting any study, just what I observe around me. If I'm wrong, I plead an xkcd://386. If I'm technically wrong, xkcd://1475. New protocols are needed, obviously. xkcd:// lolcat:// meme:// dilbert:// etc?
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"Religion is like a dick. It's OK to have one and even be proud of, but you don't have to whip it out in public and wave it around or try to shove it down our throats. "Religion is like a fart. If you have to force it then it's probably poo. "Sharing your faith is akin to sharing a fart in an elevator. You might feel good getting it out but nobody else wants to hear it. "Religion is like crack. If you give it to the kids early enough, they'll be hooked on it for life.
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Maybe in the west. How many Hindus and Muslims reject their religion? I'm not quoting any study, just what I observe around me. If I'm wrong, I plead an xkcd://386. If I'm technically wrong, xkcd://1475. New protocols are needed, obviously. xkcd:// lolcat:// meme:// dilbert:// etc?
Adherence to Hinduism is a difficult thing to quantify because it covers such a wide range of practices and is for many more cultural observance than strictly religious. When push comes to shove few Hindus would be likely to go to the wall for Hindu beliefs. Studies suggest that Islam loses as many adherents through conversion as they gain and that the perceived increase in numbers recently is almost entirely due to an increase in birth rate with a corresponding rise in nominatively Islam children. How this will play out when they reach adulthood remains to be seen.
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I suggest you take the hint. No-one is interested or cares in this forum for your belief or lack of objectivity. I suggest you find an atheist website to see if anyone cares to debate with you there.
RossMW wrote:
No-one is interested or cares in this forum for your belief
You just defined yourself to be a bigot. Bigot | Define Bigot at Dictionary.com[^] :^)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It appears to me that your comments are not so much anti-religion, but anti-proselytization. Religion is also the solace for many people; who are you to denigrate their need?
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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That's where the "It's OK to have one and even be proud of" fits. They are at liberty to take solace in whatever they want as long as it doesn't involve harming those around them.
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aaryan42 wrote:
Religion is like crack. If you give it to the kids early enough, they'll be hooked on it for life.
Quite the contrary, in fact. Several studies show that those denominations and faiths that demand most in the way of religious expression from young children suffer the highest adult rejection rates.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
9082365 wrote:
Several studies show that those denominations and faiths that demand most in the way of religious expression from young children suffer the highest adult rejection rates.
I'd be interested in seeing those studies, because the ones I have seen indicate that religions that do NOT require much from their members are the ones that do not retain membership.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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9082365 wrote:
Several studies show that those denominations and faiths that demand most in the way of religious expression from young children suffer the highest adult rejection rates.
I'd be interested in seeing those studies, because the ones I have seen indicate that religions that do NOT require much from their members are the ones that do not retain membership.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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The Pew Research Center is a good source for this kind of stuff, to wit ... Half of U.S. adults raised Catholic have left the church at some point | Pew Research Center[^]
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Maybe in the west. How many Hindus and Muslims reject their religion? I'm not quoting any study, just what I observe around me. If I'm wrong, I plead an xkcd://386. If I'm technically wrong, xkcd://1475. New protocols are needed, obviously. xkcd:// lolcat:// meme:// dilbert:// etc?
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Actually, you proved my point, it looks like. That is specific to the Catholic church which does not require much from it's members.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I think this will comes as news to Catholics! The Duties of Catholics as Listed in the Catechism 1. To attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation and rest from servile labor. 2. To receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation at least once a year, if aware of committing a mortal sin. 3. To receive Holy Communion at least once a year, between the first Sunday of Lent and Trinity Sunday. 4. To observe the fast days and abstinence days established by the Church. 5. To contribute to the material support of the Church And that's just for starters.
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I think this will comes as news to Catholics! The Duties of Catholics as Listed in the Catechism 1. To attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation and rest from servile labor. 2. To receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation at least once a year, if aware of committing a mortal sin. 3. To receive Holy Communion at least once a year, between the first Sunday of Lent and Trinity Sunday. 4. To observe the fast days and abstinence days established by the Church. 5. To contribute to the material support of the Church And that's just for starters.
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9082365 wrote:
To receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation at least once a year, if aware of committing a mortal sin.
9082365 wrote:
To receive Holy Communion at least once a year, between the first Sunday of Lent and Trinity Sunday.
Hardly demanding, is it?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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9082365 wrote:
To receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation at least once a year, if aware of committing a mortal sin.
9082365 wrote:
To receive Holy Communion at least once a year, between the first Sunday of Lent and Trinity Sunday.
Hardly demanding, is it?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Well the first is neither here nor there since you have to go to the requisite number of masses whether you actually take communion or not. The second is required of no other Christian denomination so it's certainly more demanding than that. In reality no priest is going to let you get away with once a year if he can help it. This was, in any case, a discussion about obligations placed upon children (and the effect in later life) and in that there is no doubt that Catholicism is far more intense. Most Catholic children will attend Catholic schools with a full programme of religious teaching and observance in addition to attending services with their parents. Being a Catholic child is for most a 24/7 job!
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Well the first is neither here nor there since you have to go to the requisite number of masses whether you actually take communion or not. The second is required of no other Christian denomination so it's certainly more demanding than that. In reality no priest is going to let you get away with once a year if he can help it. This was, in any case, a discussion about obligations placed upon children (and the effect in later life) and in that there is no doubt that Catholicism is far more intense. Most Catholic children will attend Catholic schools with a full programme of religious teaching and observance in addition to attending services with their parents. Being a Catholic child is for most a 24/7 job!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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I suppose you don't see the irony in telling religious people to stop sharing their beliefs, do you?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
So you think I should stop telling them to stop spreading their faith? If so I think you should stop saying I should stop telling them to stop spreading their religion. Then you can tell me to stop telling you to stop... what were we talking about again?
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