IntelliSense, VA and rewrites
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Warning: I am ranting. Visual C's IntelliSense sucks in most cases, Visual Assist does a much better job. Most people will agree on this. Also many people say that they dont like the happy Kindergarten coloring of VA, ok, can be turned of. Its not everyones style and I can understand it. Personally I wont program without it anymore. But what really sucks, is that a good product is almost ruined by rewriting it. Yes, good folks, I am talking about VA6. This thing has so massive problems that I switched back to VA4 just because it works better. As long as you stick to "normal" MFC code, (almost) everything works fine, leave that road and things go weirdo. I can not deny that the good people at WholeTomato are responsive to most problems, but this does not make the current version any more stable. Especially with templates (try using STL or STLPORT) VA shows more wrongs than rights. :(( Whats the use in rewriting something if the result is worse than the original? I do feel like a paying beta tester. X| X|
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Warning: I am ranting. Visual C's IntelliSense sucks in most cases, Visual Assist does a much better job. Most people will agree on this. Also many people say that they dont like the happy Kindergarten coloring of VA, ok, can be turned of. Its not everyones style and I can understand it. Personally I wont program without it anymore. But what really sucks, is that a good product is almost ruined by rewriting it. Yes, good folks, I am talking about VA6. This thing has so massive problems that I switched back to VA4 just because it works better. As long as you stick to "normal" MFC code, (almost) everything works fine, leave that road and things go weirdo. I can not deny that the good people at WholeTomato are responsive to most problems, but this does not make the current version any more stable. Especially with templates (try using STL or STLPORT) VA shows more wrongs than rights. :(( Whats the use in rewriting something if the result is worse than the original? I do feel like a paying beta tester. X| X|
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Andreas Saurwein wrote: Whats the use in rewriting something if the result is worse than the original? I suspect that the original programmers are long gone. They were probably quite excellent programmers, but got frustrated when, after delivering a cool product, they were stuck in maintenance mode. Then, some new guys came on the scene, management decided to pay them less, so what they got were probably VB programmers pretending to know something, and the result is what you have now. Happens all the time. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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Andreas Saurwein wrote: Whats the use in rewriting something if the result is worse than the original? I suspect that the original programmers are long gone. They were probably quite excellent programmers, but got frustrated when, after delivering a cool product, they were stuck in maintenance mode. Then, some new guys came on the scene, management decided to pay them less, so what they got were probably VB programmers pretending to know something, and the result is what you have now. Happens all the time. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"Thats exactly what it looks like to me: a good code base, unfortunately not flexible enough to accomodate changes required for .net so they had to rewrite it, but (most) of the good guys were already gone. I dont even go so far to say they have VB programmers (why are you still bashing one them?), to be fair I think they are not even bad, but clearly they lack the vision and quality of the "old" team. :((
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Thats exactly what it looks like to me: a good code base, unfortunately not flexible enough to accomodate changes required for .net so they had to rewrite it, but (most) of the good guys were already gone. I dont even go so far to say they have VB programmers (why are you still bashing one them?), to be fair I think they are not even bad, but clearly they lack the vision and quality of the "old" team. :((
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Don't some of them hang out here? It'd be interesting if they shed some light on what's going on (yeah, right...).
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Don't some of them hang out here? It'd be interesting if they shed some light on what's going on (yeah, right...).
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Taka Muraoka wrote: It'd be interesting if they shed some light on what's going on Really, would be interesting (if it does not cause conflicts of course). Anybody here? Hello? :)
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Warning: I am ranting. Visual C's IntelliSense sucks in most cases, Visual Assist does a much better job. Most people will agree on this. Also many people say that they dont like the happy Kindergarten coloring of VA, ok, can be turned of. Its not everyones style and I can understand it. Personally I wont program without it anymore. But what really sucks, is that a good product is almost ruined by rewriting it. Yes, good folks, I am talking about VA6. This thing has so massive problems that I switched back to VA4 just because it works better. As long as you stick to "normal" MFC code, (almost) everything works fine, leave that road and things go weirdo. I can not deny that the good people at WholeTomato are responsive to most problems, but this does not make the current version any more stable. Especially with templates (try using STL or STLPORT) VA shows more wrongs than rights. :(( Whats the use in rewriting something if the result is worse than the original? I do feel like a paying beta tester. X| X|
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I too was annoyed by the built-in intellisense. So I bought VA4 and upgraded to VA.NET. After a couple of months of annoying little problems I found that I can work as productively without VA as I could with it. Then there was a really bad spell from version 069 to 088 where I was WAYYYY better off without it. On the other hand, the last few versions have been a lot better. I think most of the problems are caused by the WholeTomato team being spread too thin. They are dealing with VA6 and VA.NET for VS.2002 and VS.2003. I really respect what VA is and how far it has come, but this is an ideal place for Microsoft to co-opt their ideas and implement an awsome upgrade to the native Intellisense. Hell, they could probably buy out WholeTomato for a couple million. Then everyone would be happy (except those wierd emacs guys). --
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Andreas Saurwein wrote: Whats the use in rewriting something if the result is worse than the original? I suspect that the original programmers are long gone. They were probably quite excellent programmers, but got frustrated when, after delivering a cool product, they were stuck in maintenance mode. Then, some new guys came on the scene, management decided to pay them less, so what they got were probably VB programmers pretending to know something, and the result is what you have now. Happens all the time. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"As I understand it, WholeTomato consists of two guys in a garage in Florida. :)
Jon Sagara
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As I understand it, WholeTomato consists of two guys in a garage in Florida. :)
Jon Sagara
You know the world is off tilt, when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest basketball player is Chinese, and Germany doesn't want to go to war. -- Charles Barkley
Jon Sagara wrote: As I understand it, WholeTomato consists of two guys in a garage in Florida Just goes to prove that most of the time I don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. :rolleyes: Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files" -
I too was annoyed by the built-in intellisense. So I bought VA4 and upgraded to VA.NET. After a couple of months of annoying little problems I found that I can work as productively without VA as I could with it. Then there was a really bad spell from version 069 to 088 where I was WAYYYY better off without it. On the other hand, the last few versions have been a lot better. I think most of the problems are caused by the WholeTomato team being spread too thin. They are dealing with VA6 and VA.NET for VS.2002 and VS.2003. I really respect what VA is and how far it has come, but this is an ideal place for Microsoft to co-opt their ideas and implement an awsome upgrade to the native Intellisense. Hell, they could probably buy out WholeTomato for a couple million. Then everyone would be happy (except those wierd emacs guys). --
If it starts to make sense, you're in a cult.Tom is correct in that we have been spread thin dealing with different versions of VC++ 6.0 and VS.NET. The history page on our site is a testiment to our progress. We are a bit more than two guys in a garage in Florida. This is full-time employment for us and we work insane hours. Our original team is still here. We do not know much about VB but we are learning. We will be happy if life for us turns out like it did for those two guys in a Palo Alto garage.