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  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

    I hate code comments that say what the code is doing but not why.

    /* check for null */
    if (someObj != null) {...}

    Really? Argh!

    #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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    F ES Sitecore
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    #15

    I prefer this style of coding

    try
    {
    someObj.SomeMethod();
    }
    catch (Exception)
    {
    Response.Redirect("http://www.codeproject.com/search.aspx?q=Object+reference+not+set+to+an+instance+of+an+object&sbo=qa");
    }

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    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:

      what the code is doing but not why

      Because "check for null so we don't get a NullReferenceException when we access the properties of someObj" would be so much better! :rolleyes:


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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      Slacker007
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      #16

      LMAO at this one. +24

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        I prefer this style of coding

        try
        {
        someObj.SomeMethod();
        }
        catch (Exception)
        {
        Response.Redirect("http://www.codeproject.com/search.aspx?q=Object+reference+not+set+to+an+instance+of+an+object&sbo=qa");
        }

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        charlieg
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        Here we go :). After so many years of coding, I've learned to cull back on the wordiness of the code. Still, I have a few wonder brothers who "read code so fluently" that things get opaque pretty quick. I try to stay away from the "//declare variables" nonsense and lean toward higher level explanations of code blocks. One thing that *will* set me off is when people don't use version control. So, you'll get interspersed lines of code that are commented out with new lines of code that fix a problem. One leaves this in the source in case if you need to remember what you changed. FFS, use "show changes".

        Charlie Gilley Do not forget Jacques Hamel "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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        • B BillWoodruff

          Well, gosh ... if I only had a Baht (about 2.86 US cents) for every time I've written: if(whatever != null) ... However, is it, perhaps, useful to distinguish two scenarios: 1. checking for null when there's no need to throw an error if the whatever is null, and, the code context makes it absolutely clear what's going on. 2. checking for null when you absolutely should throw an error on null I recognize there are "purists" who would like to see you throw errors in all cases. And, how about this: disclaimer: _this is an experiment I did a while ago; I am not indirectly expressing the opinion that anyone should use something like th_is:

          public static class ErrorExtensions
          {
          // non-generic version of 'IsNonNull omitted here

           // note: uses optional compiler directive 'ErrorsToConsole
          
           public static bool IsNonNull<T>(this T refobj, bool throwerror = false, string message = null)
          where T : class
          {
              if (refobj == null)
              {
                  string mess = string.Format("instance of {0} is null: {1}",typeof(T).Name, message);
          
                  if (throwerror)
                  {
                      throw new NullReferenceException(mess);
                  }
                  else
                  {
          

          #if ErrorsToConsole
          Console.WriteLine(mess);
          #endif
          }

                  return false;
              }
          
              return true;
          }
          

          }

          «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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          Slacker007
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          IsNotNull? Also, you should not be purposely throwing an error from an extension method, as part of some divine plan. Just check if it is null or not, that is all. Leave the implementation to the calling party - this helps with code reuse (I may not want to do a console.writeline). My 2 unsolicited cents on your post. :-D

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          • S Slacker007

            IsNotNull? Also, you should not be purposely throwing an error from an extension method, as part of some divine plan. Just check if it is null or not, that is all. Leave the implementation to the calling party - this helps with code reuse (I may not want to do a console.writeline). My 2 unsolicited cents on your post. :-D

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            Lost User
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            #19

            Christ! Can't you read? He wants 2.86 cents.

            Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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            • F F ES Sitecore

              I prefer this style of coding

              try
              {
              someObj.SomeMethod();
              }
              catch (Exception)
              {
              Response.Redirect("http://www.codeproject.com/search.aspx?q=Object+reference+not+set+to+an+instance+of+an+object&sbo=qa");
              }

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              Lost User
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              #20

              Why try to penalize and educate the end user for the sins of a poor coder?

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              • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                I hate code comments that say what the code is doing but not why.

                /* check for null */
                if (someObj != null) {...}

                Really? Argh!

                #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                realJSOP
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                #21

                What's more disturbing is that C# *still* doesn't allow this:

                if (!someObj) {...}

                which would preclude them from having to come up with the bullsh|t "?" operator.

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                -----
                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  I really dislike code comments in general[^] X| Currently, I have a coworker who writes comments like:

                  // Declare a variable.
                  int i;
                  // Assign the variable.
                  i = 42;

                  He doesn't do it all the time, but such comments are common practice. Learn to friggin code so you don't have to remind yourself of how to declare and assign a friggin variable! :mad:

                  Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  ZurdoDev
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                  #22

                  Sander Rossel wrote:

                  Currently, I have a coworker who writes comments like:

                  Perhaps he used to teach first level coding in high school. :-\

                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                  • L Lost User

                    Why try to penalize and educate the end user for the sins of a poor coder?

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                    Lost User
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #23

                    Because the next person the poor program sees after the end user is Jesus. Edit: :-)

                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                    This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                    "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                    • C charlieg

                      Here we go :). After so many years of coding, I've learned to cull back on the wordiness of the code. Still, I have a few wonder brothers who "read code so fluently" that things get opaque pretty quick. I try to stay away from the "//declare variables" nonsense and lean toward higher level explanations of code blocks. One thing that *will* set me off is when people don't use version control. So, you'll get interspersed lines of code that are commented out with new lines of code that fix a problem. One leaves this in the source in case if you need to remember what you changed. FFS, use "show changes".

                      Charlie Gilley Do not forget Jacques Hamel "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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                      Dan Neely
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                      #24

                      There're times when the sort of commented old code crap can be useful. Like when you were given a source dump for an ancient MFC app that the customer wants an update to and find yourself going "WTF this pile of code looks like it was obsolete even when MFC was new. C with classes every once in a while is a revolting way to write C++." for weeks on end, finding that one file that never got cleaned up and is full of commented code to create X-Windows GUI components can be enlightening in an "OH. The original version of this dinosaur was apparently a C/Slowlaris application before being ported to the then new and shiny NT4 and MFC in the late 90s." sort of way. :sigh:

                      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                      • R realJSOP

                        What's more disturbing is that C# *still* doesn't allow this:

                        if (!someObj) {...}

                        which would preclude them from having to come up with the bullsh|t "?" operator.

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                        -----
                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                        -----
                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        Lost User
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                        #25

                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        bullsh|t "?" operator

                        More like boolsh|t in this case.

                        The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                        This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                        "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                        • R realJSOP

                          What's more disturbing is that C# *still* doesn't allow this:

                          if (!someObj) {...}

                          which would preclude them from having to come up with the bullsh|t "?" operator.

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          Richard Deeming
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                          #26

                          If you implement the true[^] and false[^] operators, you can do something like:

                          if (someObj) { ... }

                          but you can't do:

                          if (!someObj) { ... }


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                          • S Slacker007

                            IsNotNull? Also, you should not be purposely throwing an error from an extension method, as part of some divine plan. Just check if it is null or not, that is all. Leave the implementation to the calling party - this helps with code reuse (I may not want to do a console.writeline). My 2 unsolicited cents on your post. :-D

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                            BillWoodruff
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                            Well, I am afraid someone took me off the "divine plan" update service some years ago. Please note: 1. the code will throw an error in the Extension method only when the 'throwerror parameter is 'true, and, of course, the instance of the generic parameter T (constrained to Type 'Class) is null. 2. the code will only call Console.WriteLine when the compiler directive '#define ErrorsToConsole is included at the start of the file. One would expect this to be present only in the developer's code who is using the source. Again, keep in mind this is only an experiment. I gladly accept your 2 cents ! cheers, Bill

                            «There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008

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                            • Z ZurdoDev

                              Sander Rossel wrote:

                              Currently, I have a coworker who writes comments like:

                              Perhaps he used to teach first level coding in high school. :-\

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              Sander Rossel
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #28

                              He never did coding in school, maybe he's trying to make up for it? :sigh:

                              Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              • R realJSOP

                                What's more disturbing is that C# *still* doesn't allow this:

                                if (!someObj) {...}

                                which would preclude them from having to come up with the bullsh|t "?" operator.

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                Nish Nishant
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                                The new approach (v6.0) is the null conditional operator, so you don't need to check for null.

                                someObj?.DoStuff();

                                Regards, Nish


                                Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                                • M Member 12345678

                                  I am one of the other poor b*st*rd now. The original developers think their code is so beautiful and wonderful that no comment is needed to explain. They think I should ask if I do not understand. It will take longer than my lifetime to finish project this way.

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                                  Frank Alviani
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                                  You have my deepest sympathy. X|

                                  'PLAN' is NOT one of those four-letter words.
                                  'When money talks, nobody listens to the customer anymore.'

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    I really dislike code comments in general[^] X| Currently, I have a coworker who writes comments like:

                                    // Declare a variable.
                                    int i;
                                    // Assign the variable.
                                    i = 42;

                                    He doesn't do it all the time, but such comments are common practice. Learn to friggin code so you don't have to remind yourself of how to declare and assign a friggin variable! :mad:

                                    Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    Slacker007
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                                    #31

                                    I was always taught that code comments are to describe a process your code is doing, if it is complex and not easily understood from the existing code base - otherwise, don't comment. It has served me well, all these years, so I stick with it...very minimal commenting in my code.

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                                    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                      I hate code comments that say what the code is doing but not why.

                                      /* check for null */
                                      if (someObj != null) {...}

                                      Really? Argh!

                                      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                      Clifford Nelson
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                                      I have found that "50 Specific Ways to Improve Your C#" is really good, and one of the things that the author Bill Wagner points out is that your code should be self explanatory, and not require much in comments. Good variable names helps a lot.

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                                      • C Clifford Nelson

                                        I have found that "50 Specific Ways to Improve Your C#" is really good, and one of the things that the author Bill Wagner points out is that your code should be self explanatory, and not require much in comments. Good variable names helps a lot.

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                                        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                        :thumbsup: And good function names/class names. And a alear breakdown of code into bitesized pieces. Aptly named.

                                        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                          I hate code comments that say what the code is doing but not why.

                                          /* check for null */
                                          if (someObj != null) {...}

                                          Really? Argh!

                                          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                                          Richard Deeming
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                                          This seems like suspiciously good timing: Documentation just before vacation | CommitStrip[^] :D


                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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