Born programmer?
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
The problem is that many people associate the word "first" with the number "one" and think that the two concepts are the same when they are not, they are distinct concepts. In your children's case; I suspect that both are correct.
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Indivara wrote:
The ones below the ground are B1, B2 etc, increasing downwards.
As does any modern hospital. I was wondering why there was a sudden need of a character-prefix. Where do the buttons prefixed with C lead to?
Indivara wrote:
My point was that kids don't usually count from zero (unless they were C programmers in a previous incarnation?)
It is not a point of from "where" to start counting, as to count "what is". Youngest is right. Go stand outside. That's 0 floors. You are at "level 0". Yes, build a floor, we'll call that one. Dig, and we'll call it -1. The latter is counting, but the first is merely a statement of what is if you go outside - 0 floors!
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It gets worse actually Mezzanine is M. Roof is R or RF. Basement is B or BF when only one level is underground. Platform is P, except when it is Parking. Sometimes the car park floors are closer together and get separate numbers P1 onwards, which correspond to different floor numbers of the building. And sometimes they are labelled in Japanese, making a ride on the elevator more adventurous. :D
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
He has clearly developed a healthy disdain for VB (but probably doesn't know it yet.) ;) Marc
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
It gets weirder: Some countries have different way to count floors. In Russia, the ground floor is the first floor. So a building with 3 floors has floors 1 to 3. In Germany, the ground floor is called the ground floor and the second floor is called the first floor. So a three-floor building would have floors 0 (ground) to 2. At least, there's a word for "above-ground floor" which I use.
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It's probably the imperial system - it rots the brain you know! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Where do the buttons prefixed with C lead to?
An alternate dimension.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
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0 is ground level. A floor is above ground level, and anything else is wrong. If 1 was ground floor, 0 would be in the ground. Then it would stop making sense to even count negative.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
a floor is a floor. A floor is the walking surface of a room or vehicle. if you have 2 floors is your list, I mean building! How many items in your Building? 2 floors. And so the first floor in your building is the [0] item, no, i mean [0] floor. As such it is Ground Floor. And the 2nd item in your building is the 1st Floor. See, simple.
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Where do the buttons prefixed with C lead to?
An alternate dimension.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
The cellars? Much more gothic than the basements.
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It gets worse actually Mezzanine is M. Roof is R or RF. Basement is B or BF when only one level is underground. Platform is P, except when it is Parking. Sometimes the car park floors are closer together and get separate numbers P1 onwards, which correspond to different floor numbers of the building. And sometimes they are labelled in Japanese, making a ride on the elevator more adventurous. :D
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
In Italy gorund floor is 0, then there are first, second and so on.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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It gets weirder: Some countries have different way to count floors. In Russia, the ground floor is the first floor. So a building with 3 floors has floors 1 to 3. In Germany, the ground floor is called the ground floor and the second floor is called the first floor. So a three-floor building would have floors 0 (ground) to 2. At least, there's a word for "above-ground floor" which I use.
Useful, as it answers the real question: how many flights of stairs I have to climb? 0, 1, 2.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Come on Griff, there is nothing wrong with the Imperial system of measurement. 12 inches in a foot 3 feet in a yard 1760 yards in a mile Makes perfect sense to me.
IF we had 12 toes and 12 Fingers... THEN this Imperial System would make sense! Worse, 11 and 12 should be NAMED: One-Teen, and Two-Teen, but NO, the TEENS did not start until 13. It is NO WONDER we are dead last in math :-)
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IF we had 12 toes and 12 Fingers... THEN this Imperial System would make sense! Worse, 11 and 12 should be NAMED: One-Teen, and Two-Teen, but NO, the TEENS did not start until 13. It is NO WONDER we are dead last in math :-)
Kirk 10389821 wrote:
IF we had 12 toes and 12 Fingers... THEN this Imperial System would make sense! It is NO WONDER we are dead last in math
IF we had 12 toes and 12 Fingers... Math would be easy. 10 can be divided by 2 and 5 only. 12 can be divided by 2,3,4 and 6.
Truth, James
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
All y'all saying that ground floor = 0 are correct. All y'all saying that ground floor = first are also correct. It's just that in many countries, floors are identified by an index (0) whereas in the US (and a few other places I surmise) floors are identified with a label ("first"). Different UI concerns, that.
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I have this problem in the US where they seem to think the ground floor is the first floor and the first floor is the second floor, etc. Weird. It doesn't seem to matter how many times I try to correct them, they still keep getting it wrong!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
When you walk into a multi-storied building from street level, what is the first floor you enter? (Hint: the answer is in the question.) See? We 'Merkans have some logic to our madness. :)
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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When you walk into a multi-storied building from street level, what is the first floor you enter? (Hint: the answer is in the question.) See? We 'Merkans have some logic to our madness. :)
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Overheard today (kids talking in the back seat) Elder: What number is the lowest floor in the building? (referring to place we just left) Younger: Zeroth floor Elder: No it is the first floor! Younger: No, zeroth floor! (this goes on for some time) Younger is 5. :)
Younger is using a zero index array and will struggle with the fence-post errors in later life.
