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  • M MatthysDT

    From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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    Rage
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    Is this the latest BS-Bingo winner sentence of your company finance and controlling department ?

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    • M MatthysDT

      From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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      MatthysDT wrote:

      A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan.

      MatthysDT wrote:

      Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one)

      Logic says the Master Budget. Why logic? Well lets consider the alternative for a moment in that the Overall Organization Plan has three components (which the master budget is part of according to first statement). In this case, shouldn't the master budget be one of the "components", but 3 other components are listed. Therefore by process of elimination it must be the former. Also, it seems grammatically it should be the former.

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      • M MatthysDT

        From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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        Pete OHanlon
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        To rephrase slightly: A master budget, part of an overall organization plan for the next year, made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. By making the organization the sub-clause, you help clarify the overall sentence structure (well, if the word clarify can be used in this context).

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        • M MatthysDT

          From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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          patbob
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          MatthysDT wrote:

          is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components?

          Neither. Its the year that has three components. They seem to have odd years where you work :)

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            To rephrase slightly: A master budget, part of an overall organization plan for the next year, made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. By making the organization the sub-clause, you help clarify the overall sentence structure (well, if the word clarify can be used in this context).

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            MarkTJohnson
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            That's the subject of a sentence but where's the predicate? A master budget did what? Stick the word "is" between "year," and "made" and then you have a sentence.

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            • M MatthysDT

              From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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              Andrew Torrance
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              If its ambiguous then its poor English . I read it as Master budget has 3 parts . If the organisation plan had 3 parts and none of those three parts are the master budget . Then presumably the master budget is a component of 1,2 or 3 . In which case why mention it at all? So I definitly read it as the master budget is a part of the overall organisation plan . The master budget has 3 parts......

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              • M MatthysDT

                From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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                Mark_Wallace
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                The overall organisation plan for the next four quarters* includes a Master Budget, which comprises three main elements: 1. Organization goals 2. A strategic long-range profit plan 3. A tactical short-range profit plan Context first (the organisation plan), then the topic, then the explanation of the topic. Putting the context in the middle just makes it harder to absorb the hierarchy. If you have a numbered list of items: never, ever write them as clauses of the same sentence; put each one on its own line (and, in this case, I would expect each item to be a click-able link to an explanation of the item). * Or "the four quarters starting [month/year]"

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                • M MatthysDT

                  From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                  Master Budget, of course...

                  MatthysDT wrote:

                  part of an overall organization plan for the next year

                  is an ancillary phrase describing "Master Budget", the sentence then goes on to further detail of what a Master Budget is comprised.

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                  • M MatthysDT

                    From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    It is entirely incorrect. 1 would not be part of the budget, whereas 2 and 3 most certainly would be. The sentence is incorrectly structured leading to a misunderstanding of the component parts. It should read: The master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year. Between them they comprise three parts. The overall organization plan contains the organizational goals and the budget contains the strategic long-range profit plan and the tactical short-range profit plan.

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                    • M MatthysDT

                      From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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                      Kyle Moyer
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                      As worded, it is the master budget plan which has three parts. Of those three parts though, 'organization goals' doesn't seem to fit, leading one to think that it should be the organization plan instead. But then, if the budget is part of the organization plan, shouldn't it be one of the three items listed? The whole sentence is ambiguous, and could be worded much better than it presently is.

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                      • M MatthysDT

                        From the following sentence, applying your (hopefully) expert knowledge of the English language what is your understanding... A master budget is part of an overall organization plan for the next year made up of three components: (1) the organization goals, (2) the strategic long-range profit plan, and (3) the tactical short-range profit plan. Now, without applying your knowledge of the subject domain, is it your understanding that the master budget or the organization plan has three components? (pick one) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- UPDATE: The statement above was extracted from a textbook. (I'll not name the publisher, but it's a large one) I got the following question in a paper: True or False? A master budget consists of (a) organizational goals, (b) strategic long-range profit plan, and (c) tactical short-range profit plan. My (incorrect) answer was True. Reason quoted[^]: "The master budget is the tactical short-range profit plan. These three are part of an overall organization plan."

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                        Foothill
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                        If it still sounds confusing just revise the structure. Such as: As part of the overall yearly organization plan, the master budget is comprised of three components:(1) etc...

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                        • L Lost User

                          The master budget (which is one part of the overall plan) has the three components.

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                          MatthysDT
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                          OP updated with the "answer", or rather, my reason for asking the question in the first place.

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                          • M MatthysDT

                            OP updated with the "answer", or rather, my reason for asking the question in the first place.

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                            Lost User
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                            It seems these days that any idiot can write a textbook. When I was growing up it was a given that the content would all be correct.

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