Medical Question for the non-Americans here
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Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
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In Hobbitland, NZ$120 per pen. But if it's used by a patient as treatment for an anaphylactic reaction caused by an injury covered by ACC (our taxpayer funded universal accident insurance scheme) they'll cover the cost. And if you have private health cover your provider may reimburse the cost. So varies from sort-of-free to not-free-at-all...
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I also heard today on the news that it only costs approx. $1 US, to produce the chemical in the pen, which adds to the controversy.
I don't think there is any relationship between the cost of manufacture and the retail price of drugs, seems to be whatever they can get away with. There is an astonishingly large variation between countries for some drugs.
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In the UK, effectively zero.
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Twood be interesting to know what the NHS actually pays. We have the PBS system in Oz that is similar, the cost to the PBS is not transparent.
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Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
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I wonder why it is so cheap? Since drug company in the US can charge whatever price they want and some have no competition and the US health department is forbidden by law to bargain...
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There is sometimes a nominal Rx charge.
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Not in Wales: prescriptions are all free.
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Also, they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam. Surely it would be effective for longer than that? :|
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Not necessarily - epinephrine is volatile, and degrades pretty quickly: particularly when it gets too warm. The 12 months limit is probably half the actual usability under "good" storage conditions, but to be effective in the hands of all users it needs to be kept shorter for safety.
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Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
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The price after National Insurance's subvention seems to be ~55 USD in Hungary, this is the price I should pay to buy it. Possibly some people can get it for free.
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Not necessarily - epinephrine is volatile, and degrades pretty quickly: particularly when it gets too warm. The 12 months limit is probably half the actual usability under "good" storage conditions, but to be effective in the hands of all users it needs to be kept shorter for safety.
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It's probably cheaper in the UK because we use Adrenaline! :laugh:
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Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
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10-20 € if not prescripted (aka: independently taken precautions), 1-2 € if prescripted. That's what taxes are for and the biggest costs for our SSN come from organized crime (a normal siringe costs 1c, in southern Italy they account 5c... from the same company with the same selling price) and scams like fake cancer cures from Literature graduates. Still it's cheaper this way and all in all the Italian hospital system ain't as bad as we think compared to the rest of the world. The real problem are the queues to access the SSN treatments and diagnosis - from 6 months to 2 years even for threatening situations. We have to thank all the 65+, as they have free access to the medical system and usually are hypocondriacs, and the extension to every clandestine immigrant of the SSN free of charge.
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Not in Wales: prescriptions are all free.
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And Welsh taxes. The Welsh NHS tries to prioritise patients, rather than external company profits...hence why there aren't any car parking fees at Welsh hospitals either.
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Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
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In France, it is free.
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I wonder why it is so cheap? Since drug company in the US can charge whatever price they want and some have no competition and the US health department is forbidden by law to bargain...
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Because Ill people must be able to buy them ! If they are not able to, they'll die and you lose customers. Ill people with long-term diseases who are able to pay for their drugs are cash cows.
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Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
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Because Ill people must be able to buy them ! If they are not able to, they'll die and you lose customers. Ill people with long-term diseases who are able to pay for their drugs are cash cows.
true that! :laugh:
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And Welsh taxes. The Welsh NHS tries to prioritise patients, rather than external company profits...hence why there aren't any car parking fees at Welsh hospitals either.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The Welsh NHS tries to prioritise patients, rather than external company profits...hence why there aren't any car parking fees at Welsh hospitals either.
So, essentially, you might be paying more then someone else but you don't know that. :-\ Consequently you have less money available for other services (if government's health budget is limited and you spend 10 units on one service, you have 10 units less to spend on other services). Last but not least - trying to make a profit does not make a services more expensive. If that would be the case then we would all buy only at communist shops which would be full of high quality and cheap goods. Cause they would be "non-profit", like "more interested in feeding the hungry and world peace then profits", etc. In reality profits are a motor of innovation and improvement.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The Welsh NHS tries to prioritise patients, rather than external company profits...hence why there aren't any car parking fees at Welsh hospitals either.
So, essentially, you might be paying more then someone else but you don't know that. :-\ Consequently you have less money available for other services (if government's health budget is limited and you spend 10 units on one service, you have 10 units less to spend on other services). Last but not least - trying to make a profit does not make a services more expensive. If that would be the case then we would all buy only at communist shops which would be full of high quality and cheap goods. Cause they would be "non-profit", like "more interested in feeding the hungry and world peace then profits", etc. In reality profits are a motor of innovation and improvement.
I'd agree - except in the case of outsourcing from any government, where it tends to go to cronies of the ruling party, who are there purely for the short term profit and have no concern for the "clients". But this is getting political, which doesn't belong in the Lounge...
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Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
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Foothill wrote:
Recently the news outlets here have been running stories on the increasing prices of life saving drugs, like the EpiPen[^]. Here in US they are charging $600 for a pack of two. I am curious to what the rest of the world pays for EpiPens.
Here[^] you go, an Australia article on it.
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Nish Nishant wrote:
they expire every 12 months, which I think is a scam.
Are you willing to bet your life on that..... Just asking?:cool: Ken
If an expert lab can look into this and officially release a statement that it can certainly be used for say 24 months, I probably will.
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Not necessarily - epinephrine is volatile, and degrades pretty quickly: particularly when it gets too warm. The 12 months limit is probably half the actual usability under "good" storage conditions, but to be effective in the hands of all users it needs to be kept shorter for safety.
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Well, they don't let you refill the medicine - if they did, that'd solve this problem.
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