The Palestinian/Israeli conflict
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. Sarah
BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The politest way I can say this is that you are a moron. I removed the word 'bloody' in order not to be rude. You think that after all this time, tomorrow the Israelis will say 'well, those Palestinians killed another child or two yesterday, and our quota is met, we're going to leave ? If someone killed my child, I would leave to. I'd leave to kill as many of the people responsible as I could and I would happily die in the effort. So no, killing children is not EVER going to make them leave, it will just turn the world's opinion against them. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Wow, you *are* ignorant, aren't you ? Jesus said to love your enemies and turn the other cheek. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. That's because you're making it up. Jesus never said anything remotely similar. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. *grin* so you're not Palestinian but you *are* Islamic ? The people whose fault it isn't is the children who get killed, not in the cross fire, but by the design of people who, as you say, make it their religion to kill people. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. Sarah
I don't recall the Bible telling me to kill someone because of differences in religious beliefs (but then again, I'm not an avid reader of the Scriptures). Also, by your line of reasoning, if someone were to break into my home and steal my belongings (or even if they "claim jumped" my property, if you will), then in order to make things right, I should strap a ton of C4 to my chest, go to the local Edwards Cinema and let 'er rip. Slaughtering scores of innocent people would force the enemy to give everything back and promise never to do anything bad to my home again, right? No. Just for the sake of argument, say the Israelis are right: Then, to solve the problem of dealing with the Palestinians, do they institute a policy of genocide to get what "belongs" to them? Do they kill all Palestinians in order to let them know who the land really belongs to? After all, religion justifies wholesale slaughter for Israel because the Palestinians are occupying the Israeli holy land. Am I correct in my assessment? I don't claim to know the answers; I don't claim to understand the issues behind this conflict; I don't claim to be in favor of one side over the other. BUT, I do claim that the Palestinians are unjustified in their terrorist acts against the civilian population. As a previous lounger suggested, keep it in the military. Don't tell me that these killings are necessary. Whether Palestinians like it or not, the Israelis are there to stay, so the sooner they get on with their lives and learn to live with each other, the better off both sides will be. Jon Sagara "Left-handed nunchakus!"
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Christian, Thanks for the link. It's pretty enlightening and at the same time pretty confusing! But it's basically more of what I was looking for: facts. Opinions are great, but only when they're based on facts. And I just didn't have facts to base an opinion on. This is a damn complex issue. I think Sarah has inadvertendly proposed a solution: all Israelis should move to Australia and take a small piece of that. It's such a vast amount of land that I don't think the Australians would mind giving up a little piece. :) What do you think? Regards, Alvaro
hehe they can have melbourne :P Senior Test Engineer GLI Australia www.gli.com.au
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I'm a little concerned about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. It seems to be headed downhill in a bad way. I'm afraid that it could lead to a major war in the region, perhaps of nuclear proportions. I'm not really informed on the issues surrounding the conflict. A European friend of mine claims that it's all the Israelis' fault for forcing the Palestinians out of land which had been theirs for hundreds of years. He actually justifies their violent behavior by saying that they've been driven to it by the way they've been shoved out of their own land, just to make room for new housing for immigrant Jews. What do you think? Who's really at fault, and how should it be resolved? Regards, Alvaro
I think like many things, there's enough fault to go around. Personally, I think time would be better spent finding solutions rather than pointing fingers. But pointing fingers is a very human thing to do. :) Since I'm neither Israeli nor Palestinian I can't really how it should or even could be resolved. But any resolution has to come from them. No solution is going to work until both parties are commited to it. Just my $0.02 Craig Dodge A catchy signature should appear here.
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Well, I believe all the land not fit for human habitation has been given to the Aboriginals ( I am not saying this is a *good* thing, before anyone flames me ). Actually, they live in desert now, so yeah, we've got land for them. So long as we are allowed to build a border around it and they pay us for it, they can come as far as I am concerned. I'm in Tasmania anyhow. ( An island a long way from any desert ). Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
Yes, we killed all the Aboriginals in Tasmania along with the Tasmanian Tiger but still had the bright idea to keep the Tasmanian Devil which is an animal I love to watch/listen to and a good inspiration for cartoons :) So we will have to give the Aboriginals their own state as they have given natives in Canada. As to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict I don't belive its necessary to try to find blame, who is right and who is wrong, remember in their minds they have different ethics and belifs than our. They are right in their own form of logic, often the attribution of right and wrong is done to fuel nationalistic fevor that fuels this type of conflict. What is important here is do as they suggest in NLP, don't worry about what is the truth, worry about the results of actions for they show the meaning of the actions themselves. So to bring about results we should attempt to find a set of actions that will bring about a form of peace in this area, and I doubt it can be done by raising the tempature on a already hot area. Some ideas I can think of are, develop a seperate state in the conflict zone which is jointly governed by these two nations which a goal of reducing tensions and increasing good relations. A idea which I don't really think is good, but I'll mention it here is maybe create a third threat to the two countrys to reduce their focus on the current problem. Another idea is repopulate the area with hippies. Creative thinking is needed here guys :)
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Yes, we killed all the Aboriginals in Tasmania along with the Tasmanian Tiger but still had the bright idea to keep the Tasmanian Devil which is an animal I love to watch/listen to and a good inspiration for cartoons :) So we will have to give the Aboriginals their own state as they have given natives in Canada. As to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict I don't belive its necessary to try to find blame, who is right and who is wrong, remember in their minds they have different ethics and belifs than our. They are right in their own form of logic, often the attribution of right and wrong is done to fuel nationalistic fevor that fuels this type of conflict. What is important here is do as they suggest in NLP, don't worry about what is the truth, worry about the results of actions for they show the meaning of the actions themselves. So to bring about results we should attempt to find a set of actions that will bring about a form of peace in this area, and I doubt it can be done by raising the tempature on a already hot area. Some ideas I can think of are, develop a seperate state in the conflict zone which is jointly governed by these two nations which a goal of reducing tensions and increasing good relations. A idea which I don't really think is good, but I'll mention it here is maybe create a third threat to the two countrys to reduce their focus on the current problem. Another idea is repopulate the area with hippies. Creative thinking is needed here guys :)
So to bring about results we should attempt to find a set of actions that will bring about a form of peace in this area, and I doubt it can be done by raising the tempature on a already hot area. I think this is right except for the word 'we'. As outsiders I don't think we have any position or even ability to be offering solutions sensitive to the views/goals of the protagonsists/ Some ideas I can think of are, develop a seperate state in the conflict zone which is jointly governed by these two nations which a goal of reducing tensions and increasing good relations. The problem with this is the issue of religion being the central platform of the whole thing. A idea which I don't really think is good, but I'll mention it here is maybe create a third threat to the two countrys to reduce their focus on the current problem. Hey - this is it. We could declare war on them both, introduce consciption for unemployed people, and fix our problems and theirs !!! Another idea is repopulate the area with hippies. *grin* this is my favourite. Why ? Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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I don't think it's quite so simple. Yes, the Romans kicked the Israelis out in the first place ( they were there first, although they also kicked other people out before them, according to the Bible anyhow ). However, while Israels claim to the land in question seems more spurious than Palestines, the fact is that killing innocent people is a foolish way to attempt to get their land *back*. Here is a link to a site that gives some background on the whole situation. I admit to only having skimmed it, but I have read enough to believe that it is too complex an issue to decide from a distance who is at fault, black and white. I believe the Palestinian cause would have reached a conclusion more in their favour if their protest methods didn't involve blowing up planes and restaurants. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
Christian, here are a few links I'd like to add... The Source of Palestinian Frustration Zionism and Israeli apartheid Compilation of human right abuses in Palestine The history of Palestine The current Intifada
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Christian, here are a few links I'd like to add... The Source of Palestinian Frustration Zionism and Israeli apartheid Compilation of human right abuses in Palestine The history of Palestine The current Intifada
Well, a nice summary of ONE SIDE of the argument! The causes has long since passed into irrelevance - the true situation is that the Israelis are not leaving, and neither are the Palestinians. All that really remains are three options - exterminate the Palestinians, exterminate the Israelis, or find a way to live together. There are no other options! So if you start from the assumption that only a fanatical fringe (on either side) wants to see the other side totally exterminated, then you are actually down to just one option - live together as best you can (the operative word here being "live"). There - now that you have a goal, start working towards it (and please try to keep the use of explosives to a minimum).
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I'm a little concerned about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict. It seems to be headed downhill in a bad way. I'm afraid that it could lead to a major war in the region, perhaps of nuclear proportions. I'm not really informed on the issues surrounding the conflict. A European friend of mine claims that it's all the Israelis' fault for forcing the Palestinians out of land which had been theirs for hundreds of years. He actually justifies their violent behavior by saying that they've been driven to it by the way they've been shoved out of their own land, just to make room for new housing for immigrant Jews. What do you think? Who's really at fault, and how should it be resolved? Regards, Alvaro
I have a question that seem to stump everybody when I ask them. From 1948 to 1967 the West Bank was under Jordanian control and the Gaza strip was under Egyptian control. Why didn't they grant the Palestinians independance? :confused:
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Well, a nice summary of ONE SIDE of the argument! The causes has long since passed into irrelevance - the true situation is that the Israelis are not leaving, and neither are the Palestinians. All that really remains are three options - exterminate the Palestinians, exterminate the Israelis, or find a way to live together. There are no other options! So if you start from the assumption that only a fanatical fringe (on either side) wants to see the other side totally exterminated, then you are actually down to just one option - live together as best you can (the operative word here being "live"). There - now that you have a goal, start working towards it (and please try to keep the use of explosives to a minimum).
> The causes has long since passed into irrelevance Don't we agree that what was wrong 55 years ago is still wrong today? Here in US (where I live), if my neighbor "occupied" my backyard 100 years ago, the law still guarantees me to get it back even today.
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Its a good idea to discuss it, even if the discussion can appear to become a flame war - at least we can see the issues involved. As far as I can tell, its a difficult problem and that there are sections of militant groups that are not under Palestinian control causing problems? Also, try to look at it from a different perspective as not an outsider but an insider, if in the USA shopping malls were being bombed by suicide bombers and people killed and the attacks came from Canada, what would the USA do?
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. Sarah
Personally, I think both sides are out of control, and imflammatory remarks like yours don't help. :mad: The Israeli and Palestinian Governments should be working together to nail the extremists on both sides, not killing each others civilians in retaliatory attacks against Police Stations etc. :(( To me, the situation is reminiscent to that in Northern Ireland (another big mess). Let's face it...neither side has any real desire for peace - there are just too many extremists with influence who don't want a settlement and would rather keep on killing. So long as that remains true, the slaughter will continue unless God calls time on the whole experiment first. Then, and only then, will all of those involved be called to account for their actions. Andy Metcalfe - Sonardyne International Ltd
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. Sarah
>>The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. << Nobody knows what it's called in Christianity because it doesn't exist in Christianity. "Love thy neighbor as thy self" and "Thou shalt do no murder", Jesus quoting the 10 Commandments, Matthew 19:17-19. >>The reason why Jews and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it.<< Life is a gift from God and not to be thrown away. Many early Christians died at the hands of the Romans for their beliefs but not one of them tried to kill or attack the Romans for their persecution. Matthew 26:50-52 50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus and took him. 51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Being faithful to one's religion and abstaining from violence doesn't make one a wuss. Christians have no claim to the land of Israel. Jews, however, were promised a land from God. Now, many times in the Old Testament did the Jews lose this land b/c of their unfaithfulness to God. Maybe so now also. Jason Gerard, Master of Kung Foo
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. Sarah
A more accurate view on the issue of violence and Islam is answered here.
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The politest way I can say this is that you are a moron. I removed the word 'bloody' in order not to be rude. You think that after all this time, tomorrow the Israelis will say 'well, those Palestinians killed another child or two yesterday, and our quota is met, we're going to leave ? If someone killed my child, I would leave to. I'd leave to kill as many of the people responsible as I could and I would happily die in the effort. So no, killing children is not EVER going to make them leave, it will just turn the world's opinion against them. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Wow, you *are* ignorant, aren't you ? Jesus said to love your enemies and turn the other cheek. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. That's because you're making it up. Jesus never said anything remotely similar. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. *grin* so you're not Palestinian but you *are* Islamic ? The people whose fault it isn't is the children who get killed, not in the cross fire, but by the design of people who, as you say, make it their religion to kill people. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
> so you're not Palestinian but you *are* Islamic ? Depending on who you are: Pascal - sarah := islamic; C++ - sarah = islamic; Asembly - shya, right! Basic - can you even do that? Cobol - move islamic to working storage. move working storage to sarah. Catholic - I like little boys. Do you like little boys too? Nazi - Ju veel be islaaamic, unt ju veel like eeeet! Canadian - I'll trade you a lighthouse for a beer, eh?
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After a couple of our beers, you guys would be out of commission ;) "das leid schlaft in der maschine" -Einstürzende Neubauten
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BTW, i am not Palestinian, but i support them. They kill them selves so they can kill the people who have invaded their country. They are killing innocent people because they have to or else there is no way the Israelis will leave the country or give it back to the people it belongs to. The politest way I can say this is that you are a moron. I removed the word 'bloody' in order not to be rude. You think that after all this time, tomorrow the Israelis will say 'well, those Palestinians killed another child or two yesterday, and our quota is met, we're going to leave ? If someone killed my child, I would leave to. I'd leave to kill as many of the people responsible as I could and I would happily die in the effort. So no, killing children is not EVER going to make them leave, it will just turn the world's opinion against them. The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Wow, you *are* ignorant, aren't you ? Jesus said to love your enemies and turn the other cheek. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. That's because you're making it up. Jesus never said anything remotely similar. The Palestinan blow them selves up because they truly belive that this isn't their fault. The reason why Jewish and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it. *grin* so you're not Palestinian but you *are* Islamic ? The people whose fault it isn't is the children who get killed, not in the cross fire, but by the design of people who, as you say, make it their religion to kill people. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
Wow, you *are* ignorant, aren't you ? Jesus said to love your enemies and turn the other cheek. In principle this is true, but let's remember that in practice, in 1982 when Ariel Sharon turned several thousand Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps in Lebanon over to the Christian Phalangist militia. According to CNN,
Christian militiamen started a three-day killing spree in Sabra and Shatila on September 16, 1982, after being let in by Israeli soldiers who sealed off the two camps when they occupied the western sector of the Lebanese capital. The militiamen massacred more than 1,000 men, women and children in one of the worst atrocities of Lebanon's 1975-90 civil war while the Israeli soldiers ringing the camps stood by.
So much for turning the other cheek. Individual Christians are as capable as Jews and Muslims of acts of terrorism, cruelty, and cowardice in the name of their religion. Of course, the whole terrorist bombing thing started in the 1940s when it was Zionist Jews who started planting bombs to take control of Palestine. According to Scott Perterson of the Christian Science Monitor (in a piece for ABC World News),
One of the precedents in the Middle East was set in British-run Palestine in the late 1930s and early 1940s, when the Zionist terrorist groups Irgun, Stern, and Haganah attacked British and Palestinian targets. The breakthrough came with the spectacular destruction in July 1946—less than two years before Israel was declared a state—of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. This was the impenetrable fortress, the British military and civilian headquarters, wrapped in steel doors and barbed wire and constantly guarded. When milk churns packed with high explosives in the basement sheared the building in two, the message was sent around the world that a new nation was about to be born. Menachem Begin, who masterminded the King David attack, and later prime minister of Israel, described in his book “The Revolt” the thinking behind such acts of terrorists. “There are times when everything in you cries out: your very self-respect as a human being lies in your resistance to evil,” Mr. Begin wrote. Then, playing on Descartes’ words, he added: “We fight, therefore we are.”
It's awfully easy for
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Wow, you *are* ignorant, aren't you ? Jesus said to love your enemies and turn the other cheek. In principle this is true, but let's remember that in practice, in 1982 when Ariel Sharon turned several thousand Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps in Lebanon over to the Christian Phalangist militia. According to CNN,
Christian militiamen started a three-day killing spree in Sabra and Shatila on September 16, 1982, after being let in by Israeli soldiers who sealed off the two camps when they occupied the western sector of the Lebanese capital. The militiamen massacred more than 1,000 men, women and children in one of the worst atrocities of Lebanon's 1975-90 civil war while the Israeli soldiers ringing the camps stood by.
So much for turning the other cheek. Individual Christians are as capable as Jews and Muslims of acts of terrorism, cruelty, and cowardice in the name of their religion. Of course, the whole terrorist bombing thing started in the 1940s when it was Zionist Jews who started planting bombs to take control of Palestine. According to Scott Perterson of the Christian Science Monitor (in a piece for ABC World News),
One of the precedents in the Middle East was set in British-run Palestine in the late 1930s and early 1940s, when the Zionist terrorist groups Irgun, Stern, and Haganah attacked British and Palestinian targets. The breakthrough came with the spectacular destruction in July 1946—less than two years before Israel was declared a state—of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. This was the impenetrable fortress, the British military and civilian headquarters, wrapped in steel doors and barbed wire and constantly guarded. When milk churns packed with high explosives in the basement sheared the building in two, the message was sent around the world that a new nation was about to be born. Menachem Begin, who masterminded the King David attack, and later prime minister of Israel, described in his book “The Revolt” the thinking behind such acts of terrorists. “There are times when everything in you cries out: your very self-respect as a human being lies in your resistance to evil,” Mr. Begin wrote. Then, playing on Descartes’ words, he added: “We fight, therefore we are.”
It's awfully easy for
Wow, you *are* ignorant, aren't you ? Jesus said to love your enemies and turn the other cheek. In principle this is true, but let's remember that in practice, in 1982 when Ariel Sharon turned several thousand Palestinian refugees in the Sabra and Shatilla refugee camps in Lebanon over to the Christian Phalangist militia. According to CNN, Christian militiamen started a three-day killing spree in Sabra and Shatila on September 16, 1982, after being let in by Israeli soldiers who sealed off the two camps when they occupied the western sector of the Lebanese capital. It's really simple, and it's not a case of principle. The Bible says love your enemies, the Quran says kill them. So it's not a case of principle - a Christian Militia is a contradition in terms, and is not Christian at all, no matter what it calls itself. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.
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>>The religion "Islam" and "Christianity" both says to kill people who get in your religion's way ONLY. ONLY FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSE. Since Israel is a holy land, it is a religious issue. In Islam, it is called Jihad. I don't know what it's called in Christianity. << Nobody knows what it's called in Christianity because it doesn't exist in Christianity. "Love thy neighbor as thy self" and "Thou shalt do no murder", Jesus quoting the 10 Commandments, Matthew 19:17-19. >>The reason why Jews and christians don't kill them selves is because they are either wussies or they don't truly believe that Israel is their's and know that they stole it.<< Life is a gift from God and not to be thrown away. Many early Christians died at the hands of the Romans for their beliefs but not one of them tried to kill or attack the Romans for their persecution. Matthew 26:50-52 50 And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus and took him. 51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Being faithful to one's religion and abstaining from violence doesn't make one a wuss. Christians have no claim to the land of Israel. Jews, however, were promised a land from God. Now, many times in the Old Testament did the Jews lose this land b/c of their unfaithfulness to God. Maybe so now also. Jason Gerard, Master of Kung Foo
Christians have no claim to the land of Israel. Jews, however, were promised a land from God. Now, many times in the Old Testament did the Jews lose this land b/c of their unfaithfulness to God If one wanted to look at it from purely a religious view, the fact is that the God who made those promises to Israel ( and Jews were only two and a half of the twelve tribes ) intended for Jews to become Christians as of 2,000 years ago. Christian Secrets of a happy marriage #27: Never go to bed if you are mad at each other. It's more fun to stay up and fight.