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    Hi all, anyone here used Oracle 12c ? It's mentioned in a contract I'm looking at and I'm just wondering if it's vastly different from the normal Oracle ( I know I know )

    We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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      Hi all, anyone here used Oracle 12c ? It's mentioned in a contract I'm looking at and I'm just wondering if it's vastly different from the normal Oracle ( I know I know )

      We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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      Isn't 12c rather out of date? Marc

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        Isn't 12c rather out of date? Marc

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        Don't know Mark

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          Isn't 12c rather out of date? Marc

          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny

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          Joe Woodbury
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          12c is the latest. (So, yes, it's rather out of date--I haven't used Oracle since 9, so perhaps it doesn't require a full time babysitter anymore and my snark is invalid.)

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            Isn't 12c rather out of date? Marc

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            Not really.

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            • pkfoxP pkfox

              Hi all, anyone here used Oracle 12c ? It's mentioned in a contract I'm looking at and I'm just wondering if it's vastly different from the normal Oracle ( I know I know )

              We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              You're not stating what normal Oracle is for you. Assuming it's 11g there wan't much difference for my usage (at my old job). The biggest difference would probably have been the in memory column store. If I had used it. The advantage is a bit limited in my personal opinion. But when you can make use of it, it gives you serious performance boost. There's a list of new features over here[^], most of them aren't of great interest if you're not into big data. <edit>Almost forgot, Varchar has a limit of 32767 characters instead of 4000. That could be a dealbreaker in some circumstances</edit>

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                Hi all, anyone here used Oracle 12c ? It's mentioned in a contract I'm looking at and I'm just wondering if it's vastly different from the normal Oracle ( I know I know )

                We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                Vivi Chellappa
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                Yes, it is different. It sucks even more money out of customers.:~

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                  You're not stating what normal Oracle is for you. Assuming it's 11g there wan't much difference for my usage (at my old job). The biggest difference would probably have been the in memory column store. If I had used it. The advantage is a bit limited in my personal opinion. But when you can make use of it, it gives you serious performance boost. There's a list of new features over here[^], most of them aren't of great interest if you're not into big data. <edit>Almost forgot, Varchar has a limit of 32767 characters instead of 4000. That could be a dealbreaker in some circumstances</edit>

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                  Klaus Werner Konrad
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                  Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                  Almost forgot, Varchar has a limit of 32767 characters instead of 4000.

                  The Limit was not 4000 characters but 4000 Bytes (new: 32767 Bytes)

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                  • pkfoxP pkfox

                    Hi all, anyone here used Oracle 12c ? It's mentioned in a contract I'm looking at and I'm just wondering if it's vastly different from the normal Oracle ( I know I know )

                    We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                    @Kent-Sharkeyy

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                    I usually need 30cc before facing Oracle

                    Even if you're only measuring the ethanol content not the total volume of whiskey (or whisky depending on what distillery I'm currently patronizing) I'd want an order of magnitude more.

                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                    • pkfoxP pkfox

                      Hi all, anyone here used Oracle 12c ? It's mentioned in a contract I'm looking at and I'm just wondering if it's vastly different from the normal Oracle ( I know I know )

                      We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP

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                      My experience with Oracle since V7 has been that you import the DB and it usually works, except for fringe cases. I give them credit for that. Oracle 12c has subtle differences that might affect performance in a HIGHLY TUNED specific environment. Outside of that, you should be fine. Easy enough to install on a VM, and load the application into... Overall, as others alluded too... It's the licensing that kills you, not the product. I was an Oracle Bigot (only Oracle) for years. I usually quipped (what is oracle too fast, and too stable for you?). But with recent changes to the licensing fees, and how they handle things, I avoid it. It is my last choice behind MySQL, MSSQL, and Postgress (in that order, although postgres and EnterpriseDB (EDB)) are really close in the multiple virtual views like Oracle Offers. If you are not a big enough client to have a DBA, it will probably migrate fine.

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                        @Kent-Sharkeyy

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                        I usually need 30cc before facing Oracle

                        Even if you're only measuring the ethanol content not the total volume of whiskey (or whisky depending on what distillery I'm currently patronizing) I'd want an order of magnitude more.

                        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                        One good shot to start, then another after opening the tool, another if I need to hit a man page, etc. And yeah, Everclear or pharmaceutical ethanol preferred. With whiskey, it would take a bit more.

                        TTFN - Kent

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                          Jörgen Andersson wrote:

                          Almost forgot, Varchar has a limit of 32767 characters instead of 4000.

                          The Limit was not 4000 characters but 4000 Bytes (new: 32767 Bytes)

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                          Yes, I stand corrected.

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