Seriously?
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Majority of my batch mates got their degrees without understanding programming. ~ they ended up in a call center company. It's sad. I don't get why they pursue programming if they don't have the "interest" for it. :sigh:
Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
they ended up in a call center company
That's worse than Burger Hell! At least one just destroys your will to live and your waistline - the other tarnishes your very soul, slowly but surely.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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But isn't that the case with most java programmers anyway?
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Majority of my batch mates got their degrees without understanding programming. ~ they ended up in a call center company. It's sad. I don't get why they pursue programming if they don't have the "interest" for it. :sigh:
Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
I don't get why they pursue programming if they don't have the "interest" for it
Because someone convinced them they'd get a good job and make lots of money. Call center? They'd do better, spiritually at least, selling their bodies on a street corner.
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But isn't that the case with most java programmers anyway?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
<snob> Probably from a poly, or one of those 'new' university as they're called these days. </snob>
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
People like that are exactly why our interview process has some basic code slinging. Yep, you can talk the walk but we are going to need to see you at least walk a bit (however trivial) just to be sure. Been bitten a couple times and it is such a simple thing to add to the interview process.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
Too bad he won't be able to get that refund from ITT.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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Too bad he won't be able to get that refund from ITT.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
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-knowledge on how to make variables -knows how to make different loops
Pretty sure we covered this in the first couple weeks of first semester... What did this guy do for the other 3.9 years of his degree program...? :wtf:
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
I suppose that it is just barely possible that in some godforsaken corner of the Earth where they still think that digital wristwatches are a new idea there is a CS course that only teaches abstractions such as algorithms, data structures, and complexity theory. ...Naaaah!
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
Definitely entry level; he's probably marketable as a government IT employee at best. There's a preconception that if you get a degree, then there will be a job waiting for you after graduation; I thought that! After being punched in the face a couple hundred times, I realized I had to fight, as well as study hard, to get established and have a decent career. In the western world, you can no longer depend on the degree or the school on that degree. You need to prove that you can do the work before you get there, be it a website, portfolio, or I cringe to say certs.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
I don't know how it is in other parts of the world but here in the US, a really large chunk of the colleges and universities have shifted into diploma-mills where competence in the subject matter is less important then butts-in-seats. As the federal government rampped up their student loan programs, the states have been cutting their contributions to state higher education. With stable income, the universities have been forced to rely on student aid to fund their operations. It was no small leap from the attitude of promoting education to the, "hey, we can make money here" mindset. Quality education no longer matters, it's all about how many students they can keep in those classrooms from semester to semester and the student aid they bring.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
:wtf: First of all, quality of education now a days is in serious question here and then the self Interest in the topic really matters. Have seen so many people who have learned programming without even going to a technical univeristy.
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Majority of my batch mates got their degrees without understanding programming. ~ they ended up in a call center company. It's sad. I don't get why they pursue programming if they don't have the "interest" for it. :sigh:
I totally get it. I loved programming and went to college thinking it would teach me how to do it (they have "programming" classes). I found that every programming class in college assumed you had never done it before, so they all started over and never went in depth. I still dabbled on my own after college, but I didn't really start learning till I got my first full time gig programming (5 months after graduation). That first year of work was life changing. I was lucky to have a patient mentor as I learned the ropes. Still doing it 16 years later.
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<snob> Probably from a poly, or one of those 'new' university as they're called these days. </snob>
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Polytechnic university are not so bad. I studied in one. Yes, some lectures could have been perfectly avoided, but many others were really cool and not at all easy. But, of course, I am speaking of 15 years ago. Before the Bachelors / Master restructuration in Europe.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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:wtf: First of all, quality of education now a days is in serious question here and then the self Interest in the topic really matters. Have seen so many people who have learned programming without even going to a technical univeristy.
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Suvendu Shekhar Giri wrote:
Have seen so many people who have learned programming without even going to a technical univeristy.
But sadly, they won't always get the same job or the same salary as one with the degree, even one so incompetent as the one quoted. :sigh: :sigh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I have graduated from college with a bachelor’s degree in computer science, however I feel like I don’t have the required skills or knowledge to say that I’m in a intermediate level of java. ... My main programming language is Java, Here is an example of what im kind of trying to find out: -knowledge on how to make variables -understands OOP -knows how to make different loops
:wtf:
Yes, seriously. Also not an incident, and prolly payed a lot to learn "all that". If degrees were so reliable then we wouldn't need a coding-challenge during an interview. So if I can get a degree I'll politely decline again.
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-knowledge on how to make variables -knows how to make different loops
Pretty sure we covered this in the first couple weeks of first semester... What did this guy do for the other 3.9 years of his degree program...? :wtf:
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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People like that are exactly why our interview process has some basic code slinging. Yep, you can talk the walk but we are going to need to see you at least walk a bit (however trivial) just to be sure. Been bitten a couple times and it is such a simple thing to add to the interview process.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
I agree :thumbsup:. I've held about 20 or 30 interviews over the past few years. My top tip is to focus on what the candidates hobbies are. If they don't include 'programming', 'running my own website', 'learning about coding', etc. then they can't be too serious about progamming for a living. If you want a well paid job in programming, be prepared to have no social life for many years. :-\
