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Anybody else think the 14B fine for Deutsche Bank is not entirely coincidental?

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    wout de zeeuw
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    They could have made it a slightly other number to keep us guessing.

    Wout

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      They could have made it a slightly other number to keep us guessing.

      Wout

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      Rajesh R Subramanian
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      Absolutely love it. :) The US should simply tell the bank to pay the fine to EU and that they'll collect DB's fine instead from Apple. :laugh:

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        They could have made it a slightly other number to keep us guessing.

        Wout

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        Well, if you would be in the business, you would know that 14 billion is the answer to life, the universe, etc...

        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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          Absolutely love it. :) The US should simply tell the bank to pay the fine to EU and that they'll collect DB's fine instead from Apple. :laugh:

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          wout de zeeuw
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          Definitely. The net result would be DB paying tax in EU, and Apple paying tax in the US. Would this be a ploy to make these evil corps pay more taxes in a roundabout sneaky way?

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            They could have made it a slightly other number to keep us guessing.

            Wout

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            W Balboos GHB
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            One big difference in the fines . . . "$14 billion fine of their own to Deutsche Bank to settle an outstanding probe into the company's trading of mortgage-backed securities during the financial crisis." DB took part in a morally criminal enterprise from the world is still recovering. Really, if the EU thinks Apples deserving of a $14B fine for entering into an agreement with a sovereign government than Deutsche Bank should pay many times that amount.

            Ravings en masse^

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            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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              One big difference in the fines . . . "$14 billion fine of their own to Deutsche Bank to settle an outstanding probe into the company's trading of mortgage-backed securities during the financial crisis." DB took part in a morally criminal enterprise from the world is still recovering. Really, if the EU thinks Apples deserving of a $14B fine for entering into an agreement with a sovereign government than Deutsche Bank should pay many times that amount.

              Ravings en masse^

              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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              wout de zeeuw
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              You're still angry! (I knew it) I'll give you this, going back on the Ireland/Apple deal is sub optimal. But from the EU point of view having had to bailout Ireland in 2010 worth of 85B, the EU figured it had to have a closer look at where all this money was going. So Ireland was kinda sovereign, but not so sovereign when it needed 85B.

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                You're still angry! (I knew it) I'll give you this, going back on the Ireland/Apple deal is sub optimal. But from the EU point of view having had to bailout Ireland in 2010 worth of 85B, the EU figured it had to have a closer look at where all this money was going. So Ireland was kinda sovereign, but not so sovereign when it needed 85B.

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                W Balboos GHB
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                wout de zeeuw wrote:

                You're still angry! (I knew it)

                Actually, amused. Don't you see?   the bigger picture? It's a new version of a trade war! The overseas competitors will be driven out of the country by excessive fines through the legal system. It's much like keeping products out with tariffs! Pay attention !

                Ravings en masse^

                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  wout de zeeuw wrote:

                  You're still angry! (I knew it)

                  Actually, amused. Don't you see?   the bigger picture? It's a new version of a trade war! The overseas competitors will be driven out of the country by excessive fines through the legal system. It's much like keeping products out with tariffs! Pay attention !

                  Ravings en masse^

                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  wout de zeeuw
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                  Definitely seems they're trading blows at the moment. Not as much a trade war, but a war of governments trying to recuperate some of the tax payer money from big corps and banks that went into bailouts.

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                    One big difference in the fines . . . "$14 billion fine of their own to Deutsche Bank to settle an outstanding probe into the company's trading of mortgage-backed securities during the financial crisis." DB took part in a morally criminal enterprise from the world is still recovering. Really, if the EU thinks Apples deserving of a $14B fine for entering into an agreement with a sovereign government than Deutsche Bank should pay many times that amount.

                    Ravings en masse^

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                    Chris Maunder
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                    8 years later... That's not due diligence or degree of complexity. That's simply politics. Pathetic.

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                      8 years later... That's not due diligence or degree of complexity. That's simply politics. Pathetic.

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      W Balboos GHB
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                      “The Commission’s investigation concluded that Ireland granted illegal tax benefits to Apple, which enabled it to pay substantially less tax than other businesses over many years. In fact, this selective treatment allowed Apple to pay an effective corporate tax rate of 1% on its European profits in 2003 down to 0.005% in 2014.”

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                      8 years later...

                      Yup - politics - only apparently the US government is, by comparison, quite on top of things!

                      Ravings en masse^

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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