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    Kevin Marois
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    This one[^] is mind boggling

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      This one[^] is mind boggling

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      zdk329
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      Compare to: [^] Which is going to cause permanent mental damage: Wiping a kids parts during diaper change? Or submitting them to a sex change operation? How can we be surprised when the punishment and judgment will suddenly come?

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        This one[^] is mind boggling

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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        W Balboos GHB
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        Messed up - - - - but maybe - - - just maybe - - - they need that kind of law in Arizona? Ultimately, how else can you explain it (dont' say Gin)?

        Ravings en masse^

        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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        • K Kevin Marois

          This one[^] is mind boggling

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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          ZurdoDev
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          From the article itself:

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          The state law defines child molestation as intentionally or knowingly engaging in sexual contact with a child under age 15. Sexual contact is defined as any direct or indirect touching, fondling or manipulating of a child’s genitals or private parts.

          I don't see how someone could interpret diaper changing as molesting when molesting has a clear definition. I think you're getting worked up over nothing.

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            From the article itself:

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            The state law defines child molestation as intentionally or knowingly engaging in sexual contact with a child under age 15. Sexual contact is defined as any direct or indirect touching, fondling or manipulating of a child’s genitals or private parts.

            I don't see how someone could interpret diaper changing as molesting when molesting has a clear definition. I think you're getting worked up over nothing.

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            Richard Deeming
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            You obviously missed the definition in the following sentence:

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            Sexual contact is defined as any direct or indirect touching, fondling or manipulating of a child’s genitals or private parts.

            And the previous paragraph:

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            The ruling made last week, on September 13, states the law does not include a clause requiring that the touching coincide with an intent to harm, violate, or arouse.

            As I don't have kids, maybe I've missed something - is it possible to change a nappy or bathe a baby without having any "direct or indirect" contact with their "private parts"? :confused:


            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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              You obviously missed the definition in the following sentence:

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              Sexual contact is defined as any direct or indirect touching, fondling or manipulating of a child’s genitals or private parts.

              And the previous paragraph:

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              The ruling made last week, on September 13, states the law does not include a clause requiring that the touching coincide with an intent to harm, violate, or arouse.

              As I don't have kids, maybe I've missed something - is it possible to change a nappy or bathe a baby without having any "direct or indirect" contact with their "private parts"? :confused:


              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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              ZurdoDev
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              Richard Deeming wrote:

              any direct or indirect touching, fondling or manipulating

              I guess I was reading these 2 things as going together. I guess it can be read a different way and that it would be unclear. Of course, there is no way that was the intent of whoever wrote it. But whatever.

              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                Richard Deeming wrote:

                any direct or indirect touching, fondling or manipulating

                I guess I was reading these 2 things as going together. I guess it can be read a different way and that it would be unclear. Of course, there is no way that was the intent of whoever wrote it. But whatever.

                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                Dan Neely
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                Probably not the intent of the drooling morons in the legislature. The drooling morons in the court, by insisting that they can't limit the literal wording of the law and insisting that the public rely on prosecutor discretion to prevent abuse are no better. I'm pretty sure a certain sunshine of a sheriff[^] is already planning to expand his counties prison camps to hold half the states population. X|

                Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                  Messed up - - - - but maybe - - - just maybe - - - they need that kind of law in Arizona? Ultimately, how else can you explain it (dont' say Gin)?

                  Ravings en masse^

                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  Nelek
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                  W∴ Balboos wrote:

                  how else can you explain it (dont' say Gin)?

                  Idiocy? Imbecility? Drugs? Missing oxigen during birth with permanent brain damage?

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    Probably not the intent of the drooling morons in the legislature. The drooling morons in the court, by insisting that they can't limit the literal wording of the law and insisting that the public rely on prosecutor discretion to prevent abuse are no better. I'm pretty sure a certain sunshine of a sheriff[^] is already planning to expand his counties prison camps to hold half the states population. X|

                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                    Nelek
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                    or at least sue them to get a new house from the "how can we solve this gently? voluntary donations"

                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    • D Dan Neely

                      Probably not the intent of the drooling morons in the legislature. The drooling morons in the court, by insisting that they can't limit the literal wording of the law and insisting that the public rely on prosecutor discretion to prevent abuse are no better. I'm pretty sure a certain sunshine of a sheriff[^] is already planning to expand his counties prison camps to hold half the states population. X|

                      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                      W Balboos GHB
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                      Dan Neely wrote:

                      The drooling morons in the court, by insisting that they can't limit the literal wording of the law and insisting that the public rely on prosecutor discretion to prevent abuse are no better.

                      But what's scary is the large section of the country (and at least one Supreme Court Justass) want the courts to take laws literally and not legislate from the bench. Meanwhile, leaving it to the discretion of an attorney general or sheriff allows them to be judge-and-jury, certainly to the extent of little the guilty go free. Bribes can be cheaper than legal fees - if you can afford them. Experience has shown that common sense and integrity will be trumped by corruption every time. Aren't no-win situations a blast!* * Which I why I must be made "Grand Ruler of All, Everywhere"

                      Ravings en masse^

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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