I can't see all the problems with upgrades
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I knew Win 8 sucked so I didn't upgrade - and I informed myself on the equipment compatible with Win 7 before buying new PCs. I know Win10 sucks hard so I won't upgrade to it - again I'll keep my Win7 until the hardware will be supported. If a version of VS needs Win10 I won't buy it - I don't code at home, and at work the responsibility for my platform isn't mine, nor the management of my time. Until the next one... after all I used WinXP at home up until 2012 and at work until 2016, with negligible problems on either software or games. So... if it sucks it remains there on the shelf.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I knew Win 8 sucked so I didn't upgrade - and I informed myself on the equipment compatible with Win 7 before buying new PCs. I know Win10 sucks hard so I won't upgrade to it - again I'll keep my Win7 until the hardware will be supported. If a version of VS needs Win10 I won't buy it - I don't code at home, and at work the responsibility for my platform isn't mine, nor the management of my time. Until the next one... after all I used WinXP at home up until 2012 and at work until 2016, with negligible problems on either software or games. So... if it sucks it remains there on the shelf.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
If you've never upgraded to W8 or W10, how can you be so certain that they suck?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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If you've never upgraded to W8 or W10, how can you be so certain that they suck?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel. I never ever jump on the upgrades and take my time seeing all the various problems that arise. Games that I play eagerly that don't work on 8 and 8.1, bugs on new games... I speak only for my home PC, at work I don't care the OS they give me. If it hampers my productivity it is not my problem.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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If you've never upgraded to W8 or W10, how can you be so certain that they suck?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
I use Windows 10 Pro at home and to be honest I have never had a problem with it. I've moaned at the way it updates itself but then I've moaned in one way or another with any windows OS since Windows 95a. Only stable platform I've ever used is Windows NT4
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I knew Win 8 sucked so I didn't upgrade - and I informed myself on the equipment compatible with Win 7 before buying new PCs. I know Win10 sucks hard so I won't upgrade to it - again I'll keep my Win7 until the hardware will be supported. If a version of VS needs Win10 I won't buy it - I don't code at home, and at work the responsibility for my platform isn't mine, nor the management of my time. Until the next one... after all I used WinXP at home up until 2012 and at work until 2016, with negligible problems on either software or games. So... if it sucks it remains there on the shelf.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
In my family circle we all use Windows 10. Yes, it has a few idiosyncrasies, but let the OS with no problems cast the first stone. I am quite satisfied with it. You just need to turn off the setting that lets apps display those pesky commercials on your machine.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel. I never ever jump on the upgrades and take my time seeing all the various problems that arise. Games that I play eagerly that don't work on 8 and 8.1, bugs on new games... I speak only for my home PC, at work I don't care the OS they give me. If it hampers my productivity it is not my problem.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
So you're letting others form your opinions for you.
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If you've never upgraded to W8 or W10, how can you be so certain that they suck?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
how can you be so certain that they suck?
Because he saw this [^]
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Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel. I never ever jump on the upgrades and take my time seeing all the various problems that arise. Games that I play eagerly that don't work on 8 and 8.1, bugs on new games... I speak only for my home PC, at work I don't care the OS they give me. If it hampers my productivity it is not my problem.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
That's what I've heard too. Most folks, especially the anti-Windows folks tell the same story. I know there are imperfections and I haven't upgraded to Win 10 yet because of it, or because of what I've heard from others. I'm just too busy to do the update. :rolleyes: Today, I'm about to update it to Win 10 because I need to test out the docker support for .net core. So fingers cross. :-D
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den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
So you're letting others form your opinions for you.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
So you're letting others form your opinions for you.
Aren't we all guilty of that. Like not frying and eating the stuff in the toilet, but instead, flushing it away, broth and all? The advancement of the species is to share information without having to do everything yourself: learning from others and all that sort of stuff.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
So you're letting others form your opinions for you.
Aren't we all guilty of that. Like not frying and eating the stuff in the toilet, but instead, flushing it away, broth and all? The advancement of the species is to share information without having to do everything yourself: learning from others and all that sort of stuff.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
There's a radical difference between eating a turd sandwich and trying Windows 10. There's a joke in there somewhere.
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den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
So you're letting others form your opinions for you.
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I'm letting others raise the head over the trench for me. If their blood and brains stain my coat I take it as a good indicator that it's not a good idea. Learning form other people experiences is the key to evolution, don't you think? Wrestling a completely logical statement to insult is instead the key to wu mao.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
So you're letting others form your opinions for you.
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I ignored other people's opinions over Vista, and ended up having to do a lot of work to make Vista behave (which was worth it, because, properly configured, Vista was a lot better than XP). I ignored other people's opinions over w8, and ended up having to do way more work than I'd had to do with Vista (which was Not worth it, because it was still less usable than weven). None of that extra work should have been necessary. The operating system has one job: to allow access to hardware and programs. All the extra "add-ons" cause about half the problems, and the inability of the OS to do its one job well cause the rest. I didn't ignore people's opinions over winio, but still ended up with a winio tablet ... and it turns out that the other people were right again. I love having a tablet that can run windows-based programs, but I absolutely detest the way the operating system treats the machine -- and by proxy, me. The thing is, it's not MS haters complaining about Vista, w8, and winio, it's people like me, who have been ardent MS supporters for years. The @rseholes and the linux evangelists who just want to bitch aren't worth listening to, but those people are.
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den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
That's what I've heard too. Most folks, especially the anti-Windows folks tell the same story. I know there are imperfections and I haven't upgraded to Win 10 yet because of it, or because of what I've heard from others. I'm just too busy to do the update. :rolleyes: Today, I'm about to update it to Win 10 because I need to test out the docker support for .net core. So fingers cross. :-D
Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
So fingers cross.
Think about that - why would you need to worry even a little? Well - maybe your expectations are low due to the experience of others - apparently people's who's description of their experience you trust? Some (anti-Windows you call them) accept that they don't need to have their house burn down to understand the danger of playing with fire.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I'm letting others raise the head over the trench for me. If their blood and brains stain my coat I take it as a good indicator that it's not a good idea. Learning form other people experiences is the key to evolution, don't you think? Wrestling a completely logical statement to insult is instead the key to wu mao.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
In the case of trying a different OS, it's hardly satisfying an evolutionary imperative. And you have seen more than enough anecdotes on here from people that they have had no negative experiences that there's at least a decent chance that you would be okay.
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den2k88 wrote:
Reviews, experience from my peers, system requirements, complains, look&feel.
That's what I've heard too. Most folks, especially the anti-Windows folks tell the same story. I know there are imperfections and I haven't upgraded to Win 10 yet because of it, or because of what I've heard from others. I'm just too busy to do the update. :rolleyes: Today, I'm about to update it to Win 10 because I need to test out the docker support for .net core. So fingers cross. :-D
I'm not anti-Windows at all - I've been, in the past, as a teenager discovering Linux. Now I consider myself an engineer, I choose what I deem to be best for the objective. Also, as a developer, I adore Windows API, it's 10 times more powerful than standard POSIX and under *nix outside of POSIX there is just an enormous junkyard of incomplete and incompatible libraries and frameworks. Thanks but no thanks. I stick to my experiences of upgrading from 3.1 to 95 to 95 OSR2 to NT4 to 98 to 98SE to ME to XP... Most of the times I had a burning axe due to early upgrades, now I can usually sit comfortably. Also true for drivers, most of the times I had to zero my Pc and rebuild was due to upgrades that solved none of the problems I had but created Hell-On-Wheels for me instead. My mantra now is: do not change what works. Either it solves a problem you are experiencing or it adds a functionality you utterly need, or upgrades are moot.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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In my family circle we all use Windows 10. Yes, it has a few idiosyncrasies, but let the OS with no problems cast the first stone. I am quite satisfied with it. You just need to turn off the setting that lets apps display those pesky commercials on your machine.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
In mine we all use Win7 and no troubles or apps or idiocies like that. I'd like to disable the whole "app" concept on my machine.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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In the case of trying a different OS, it's hardly satisfying an evolutionary imperative. And you have seen more than enough anecdotes on here from people that they have had no negative experiences that there's at least a decent chance that you would be okay.
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I'm hearing much more complains about screwed up updates so I'll wait until the updates will be sporadic. I let the others go first then claim victory when I enter the fray an hour later. I did it for XP and 7 and found myself very comfortable indeed.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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There's a radical difference between eating a turd sandwich and trying Windows 10. There's a joke in there somewhere.
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I only have one machine. Losing days to backup, try, fix, try, fix, fraking up, restoring just to try something new? Not a chance in hell, nor in heaven for that sake.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I only have one machine. Losing days to backup, try, fix, try, fix, fraking up, restoring just to try something new? Not a chance in hell, nor in heaven for that sake.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Just run yourself a Docker instance and try it out, or run up a VM.
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Vincent Maverick Durano wrote:
So fingers cross.
Think about that - why would you need to worry even a little? Well - maybe your expectations are low due to the experience of others - apparently people's who's description of their experience you trust? Some (anti-Windows you call them) accept that they don't need to have their house burn down to understand the danger of playing with fire.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
why would you need to worry even a little?
Of course worrying a bit is normal as it could break my existing working app that is running in previous version.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Well - maybe your expectations are low due to the experience of others - apparently people's who's description of their experience you trust?
I don't trust anyone. I can't even trust myself sometimes :rolleyes:
