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  • A Andrew Torrance

    So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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    Joan M
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    In case you move sometimes, a good laptop (lenovo t460p/s or better) with great specs and a proper docking station and you'll be able to use it wherever you need it.

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    • A Andrew Torrance

      So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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      Chris Maunder
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      "Quiet" is an important word here, especially when paired with "lots of power". You don't mention the OS you need. I would love a Mac Pro. Sleek, fast, and good looking if geeky furniture. Otherwise grab a box with huge fans (bigger the quieter obviously) and stick to SSD (not all SSDs are created equally) and fast RAM. You'll probably also want to think about ensuring you get a USB-C port (or 4) given you want this for the long run. Why don't we all get together and go shopping for you?

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      • A Andrew Torrance

        So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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        • A Andrew Torrance

          So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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          KarstenK
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          I would choose an actual Intel i7 (better than AMD) with 32 GB RAM, good graphic card and fat SSD. Pay attention to a good motherboard like from Asus. Think about the design of the PC and things like a ergonomic keyboard with some lighting and fine cable-less mouse. Water-cooling is a fine idea for a very silent PC and it IMHO matured enough for everyday use. You lucky one. :cool:

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          • C Chris Maunder

            "Quiet" is an important word here, especially when paired with "lots of power". You don't mention the OS you need. I would love a Mac Pro. Sleek, fast, and good looking if geeky furniture. Otherwise grab a box with huge fans (bigger the quieter obviously) and stick to SSD (not all SSDs are created equally) and fast RAM. You'll probably also want to think about ensuring you get a USB-C port (or 4) given you want this for the long run. Why don't we all get together and go shopping for you?

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            Why don't we all get together and go shopping for you?

            Since you're buyin' can I come along too? I need a new computer too... ;P

            #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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            • A Andrew Torrance

              So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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              If you're going to spend that sort of coin on a development machine, look at motherboards first and ignore anything that doesn't support at least 64GB of RAM. Then max it out, and make the most of that RAM with virtual machines. RAID the living crap out of it for performance (I'm using four 4TB drives in a RAID-10 setup to host my VMs), or go SSD. Or both. Speaking for myself, among other things, having that much RAM has allowed me to remove any hesitation whenever I was trying to figure out whether I should give some beta/preview release of something I might be interested in a try. Removing the need to choose removes a lot of barriers. Why 64GB? I started at 16, then quickly came to the realization it wasn't enough for the way I work. Then I went to 32, and ran into the same thing again. Having 64 removes the need to choose which VM to shut down to leave enough RAM for another one I might need to spin up. There are motherboards that will use more than that, but we're no longer talking about consumer hardware and you'll blow your budget.

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              • A Andrew Torrance

                So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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                I have an Asus ROG Gaming Laptop. It supports up to 128GB RAM (I currently have 24GB), has an Intel i7 Quad-Core (8 logical cores) CPU, and an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M GPU. It also has a CD/DVD/BD drive, four USB 3.0 ports, an HDMI port, a VGA port, an Ethernet port, an SD/MMC card reader, an Intel Thunderbolt port, and connections for headsets. The keyboard has a backlight, and the fans are very quiet, even when running full blast. The unit also does not heat up very much, maybe a few degrees. Newer ones come with WinX, though (although I haven't had any issues with it, third party drivers are the usual cause of issues. I'm looking at you, HP. Having to restart my computer several times to make it connect to the [REDACTED] printer is not a good thing.) The cost for mine is around $2,500.

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  "Quiet" is an important word here, especially when paired with "lots of power". You don't mention the OS you need. I would love a Mac Pro. Sleek, fast, and good looking if geeky furniture. Otherwise grab a box with huge fans (bigger the quieter obviously) and stick to SSD (not all SSDs are created equally) and fast RAM. You'll probably also want to think about ensuring you get a USB-C port (or 4) given you want this for the long run. Why don't we all get together and go shopping for you?

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  Andrew Torrance
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                  I left it open to see what came out . Shop away man my card number is 555....

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                  • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                    Why don't we all get together and go shopping for you?

                    Since you're buyin' can I come along too? I need a new computer too... ;P

                    #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                    Andrew Torrance
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                    Sure be at my house by 7:30

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                      But if you spend that much the money's gone. How much VAT will you save to subsidize what appears to be the most amazing overspending?

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                      Andrew Torrance
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                      If I spend £1666 I dont get a penny back . If I spend £2000 I get £332 back .Since a lot of good machines are £1200 and upwards I thought I would say £2000 to see what corkers came out of the woodwork.

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                        Andrew Torrance wrote:

                        No monitor needed

                        If you don't want a monitor, then I'd eliminate lappies immediately. Hope that helps!

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Or a lappie for £1999 and a quid for a screwdriver.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          "Quiet" is an important word here, especially when paired with "lots of power". You don't mention the OS you need. I would love a Mac Pro. Sleek, fast, and good looking if geeky furniture. Otherwise grab a box with huge fans (bigger the quieter obviously) and stick to SSD (not all SSDs are created equally) and fast RAM. You'll probably also want to think about ensuring you get a USB-C port (or 4) given you want this for the long run. Why don't we all get together and go shopping for you?

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          You'll probably also want to think about ensuring you get a USB-C port (or 4) given you want this for the long run.

                          Is anyone selling a quad C port board yet? Looking at what's been showing up on Anandtech's review/previews lately the current default seems to be a pair (or occasionally 4) USB3.1g2 ports but only one in the C form factor; the remainder are still A like all the 2.0/3.0 ports on the back.

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                          • A Andrew Torrance

                            If I spend £1666 I dont get a penny back . If I spend £2000 I get £332 back .Since a lot of good machines are £1200 and upwards I thought I would say £2000 to see what corkers came out of the woodwork.

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                            ColinBurnell
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                            Unless you need fancy graphics or something more esoteric, even £1200 sounds excessive. You can get a pretty decent workstation for 700 to 800 quid, add a decent SSD and call it £900 to £1000; forget the VAT and save yourself 600 to 700 notes.

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                            • A Andrew Torrance

                              So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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                              Brad Stiles
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                              Andrew Torrance wrote:

                              Probably up to £2000

                              For that price, you can get a really good gaming machine, with monitor, never mind a dev one. :) You won't have any problems whatsoever spending that much, and can get a decent one for half that.

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                              • A Andrew Torrance

                                So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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                                You don't need to spend that. Dell puts out a fine product, the XPS Series. I have a 4-year-old XPS 8300 that I've built up with 1.5TB of SSD and 16GB of main. Seriously powerful. These aren't that expensive, either.

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                                • A Andrew Torrance

                                  So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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                                  Hope this helps MB ASUS Sabertooth990FX R2.0 VGA ASUS R3760-OC-2GD5-V2 R7 360 Graphics card can run 4 monitors AMD 8-CORE FX-8350 4.0 SSD 512 G Samsung MEM 8GX2 GSKIL = 32 Gigs memory DVD Brn MS Windows 10 Pro Liguid Cool Corsair H80I V2 R Soprano Case HUB Vantec UGT-AH1000U3 10 port USB 3.0 hub total worth it $1100 american This is a whisper quite machine

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                                  • A Andrew Torrance

                                    So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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                                    mjbempower
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                                    ASUS Q534U - Intel 6500U - 512GB SATA3 SSD - 2TB HDD 5400 - 16GB DDR4 RAM - WLAN/CB 802.11AC-WW + BT - 15.6 UHD (4K) Nvidia GTX950M w/2GB VRAM - 3-USB 3.0, 1-USB 3.1 WIN 10 (not pro). 2-IN-1 with a special hinge that enables the screen to be set at just about any angle, including 180 degrees for tablet mode. Touch screen; backlit keyboard; HDMI output; DVD/CD drive not included. $1,500 US.

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                                    • A Andrew Torrance

                                      So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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                                      Honestly I think it would be difficult to spend even close to 2000 for a development machine. You should build your own desktop. I did 8 years ago and it's been great. As time went on and components got better, I upgraded. Currently I could upgrade again, but the improvement would be minimal for the price. One of the best things I did was buy some quiet case fans. This is a link to a review of case fans that's pretty comprehensive: Conclusion: Who's King of the Hill? - 120mm Radiator Fan Roundup Part 2: Fan Harder[^] I did get the Nocuta fans when I first bought the case and I need to listen carefully in my quiet home office to even begin to hear them. Good Luck!

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                                        You don't need to spend that. Dell puts out a fine product, the XPS Series. I have a 4-year-old XPS 8300 that I've built up with 1.5TB of SSD and 16GB of main. Seriously powerful. These aren't that expensive, either.

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                                        I bought a Dell XPS 3 years ago. On sale for about $1,000 U.S. Has i7 8 GB ram, 1 TB Hard drive. I use the machine on site for contract work. You don't want a laptop. The CPUs in them have about 1/2 the power. When my coworkers noticed, they all demanded that their agencies supply them with desktop computers. I have since upgraded the memory to 16 G bytes. Needed that to run VMs. The machine used up about 75% of the memory with VMs running. And ran noticably slower. Also added a 2nd 1 T Byte hard drive. Just to keep code on different drive than OS. Going to replace the HDD with 525 G Byte SSD that I found on NewEgg for little over $100 U.S. If I were to replace it today and need it fast, would be hard to beat Dell XPS. I been thinking about a new build. Considering a Skylake i7. But Brodwell i7 or i7 Extream I think would be better suited. Reviews of CPUs for compiling code is hard to come by.

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                                        • A Andrew Torrance

                                          So I dont spend my own money that often on development machines . But its that time again. Every time I end up trawling through lots of sites comparing who has the best machines at the moment . I have no preference for laptop or desktop but want lots of power , a fair size SSD and a quiet machine . My budget I hear you ask ? Probably up to £2000 but maybe a bit more . No monitor needed . Does anyone have any current recommendations ?

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                                          If I had 2,000 pounds to spend. I would go build a machine with i-7 Broadwell Extream CPU, 32 G Bytes Ram. For the hard dive, I would get 2 Intel 750 SSDs and put them in a RAID configuration

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