"Why didn't you just use [insert your favorite library here]?"
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About 7 times out of 10 I crack while trying to play nice with a framework and end up writing my own solution. :sigh:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
My solution to that is, so far as is reasonable, not to use the frameworks.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
I guess one of the advantages of a good library is that by the time you get your sticky little fingers on it, thousands of other hopefuls have already suffered from the most obvious bugs and the worst of them have been sawn-off, sanded down, patched with filler, or occasionally even fixed!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
I prefer the work-around, band-aid and bubblegum approach, it's what I'm used to. ;)
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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My solution to that is, so far as is reasonable, not to use the frameworks.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
That's sort of where my heart is at as well. I still have hope when approaching frameworks, though Angular2 has almost killed that. I wanted to like it so much, but it smells like Dojo, so I react with horror.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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That's sort of where my heart is at as well. I still have hope when approaching frameworks, though Angular2 has almost killed that. I wanted to like it so much, but it smells like Dojo, so I react with horror.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
When .NET came out, at first I was annoyed as it killed my mental library of C++ functionality. Shortly, however, when I realized that (in the MS realm) it was the "One Ring" to rule them all, I got used to it and even liked it - but not so much for what it supplied is that it allowed easy sharing of .dll's and stuff. For now, I've moved into web dev, back-end, mainly, and functional interfaces. The javaScript and .php are pure. Transport anywhere. Won't go out of style too soon, either, at least compared to this quarter's favorite framework.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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When .NET came out, at first I was annoyed as it killed my mental library of C++ functionality. Shortly, however, when I realized that (in the MS realm) it was the "One Ring" to rule them all, I got used to it and even liked it - but not so much for what it supplied is that it allowed easy sharing of .dll's and stuff. For now, I've moved into web dev, back-end, mainly, and functional interfaces. The javaScript and .php are pure. Transport anywhere. Won't go out of style too soon, either, at least compared to this quarter's favorite framework.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
My experience there was different, as I went from C++ to Java for a bit. C# was like a breath of fresh air, and LINQ sealed it for me. These things have spoiled me; going back and working in C++ for anything past low-level protocol work feels like a drag. So...yeah. About 7 out of 10 (LINQ solidified that for me).
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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I prefer the work-around, band-aid and bubblegum approach, it's what I'm used to. ;)
It was broke, so I fixed it.
Hey lets not leave out spit & bailing wire! :laugh:
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Hey lets not leave out spit & bailing wire! :laugh:
glennPattonInThePUB wrote:
spit & bailing wire
That's real old school. :laugh:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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My question is what makes you think I know about every library of code that might fill a particular need? Or that it fills MY need? Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code? People are really funny. Of course, I could just be too old-school... Maybe it's time to retire...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
Exactly my sentiment. :)
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe it's time to retire...
That too. :~
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
People are really funny.
If by "funny" you mean, for example, some newbie waltzing in and replacing 10 lines of working code that took 10 minutes to write with a huge general parser library that he can't get working after five days, and because he has some Haskell experience he convinces the CTO that everything should now be written in F#, then yeah, but somehow I fail to be amused. X| Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
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Hey lets not leave out spit & bailing wire! :laugh:
glennPattonInThePUB wrote:
bailing wire
When I grew up, we only used bailing twine, not wire... Then, working in a pulp and paper facility, the pulp bails were held together with wire, so I then understood how it was used. Still prefer the twine, though. We'd gather it, tie them end-to-end, get three lengths and braid them to make rope.
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glennPattonInThePUB wrote:
spit & bailing wire
That's real old school. :laugh:
It was broke, so I fixed it.
new is not always better, Win 8 for example...
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
I guess one of the advantages of a good library is that by the time you get your sticky little fingers on it, thousands of other hopefuls have already suffered from the most obvious bugs and the worst of them have been sawn-off, sanded down, patched with filler, or occasionally even fixed!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Too bad this does not apply for languages, javascript would have profited from it.
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glennPattonInThePUB wrote:
bailing wire
When I grew up, we only used bailing twine, not wire... Then, working in a pulp and paper facility, the pulp bails were held together with wire, so I then understood how it was used. Still prefer the twine, though. We'd gather it, tie them end-to-end, get three lengths and braid them to make rope.
:cool:
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
Exactly my sentiment. :)
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe it's time to retire...
That too. :~
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
People are really funny.
If by "funny" you mean, for example, some newbie waltzing in and replacing 10 lines of working code that took 10 minutes to write with a huge general parser library that he can't get working after five days, and because he has some Haskell experience he convinces the CTO that everything should now be written in F#, then yeah, but somehow I fail to be amused. X| Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Marc Clifton wrote:
If by "funny" you mean, for example, some newbie waltzing in and replacing 10 lines of working code that took 10 minutes to write with a huge general parser library that he can't get working after five days, and because he has some Haskell experience he convinces the CTO that everything should now be written in F#, then yeah, but somehow I fail to be amused. X|
In that case, the person isn't funny as much as he is a target of opportunity.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
Exactly my sentiment. :)
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe it's time to retire...
That too. :~
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
People are really funny.
If by "funny" you mean, for example, some newbie waltzing in and replacing 10 lines of working code that took 10 minutes to write with a huge general parser library that he can't get working after five days, and because he has some Haskell experience he convinces the CTO that everything should now be written in F#, then yeah, but somehow I fail to be amused. X| Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Marc Clifton wrote:
somehow I fail to be amused
I guess you're not funny enough :D Speaking of which, I better convince Chris and his team to re-write CP in Haskell, because that will certainly enhance my user experience :D
Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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Hey lets not leave out spit & bailing wire! :laugh:
And it's permanent-repair companion: duct tape.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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My question is what makes you think I know about every library of code that might fill a particular need? Or that it fills MY need? Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code? People are really funny. Of course, I could just be too old-school... Maybe it's time to retire...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013It's no different when you retire, people are just as stupid.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta
I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist! -
And it's permanent-repair companion: duct tape.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
:shakeshead: Duct Tape, I tend to use the term Gaffer Tape...
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:shakeshead: Duct Tape, I tend to use the term Gaffer Tape...
Nah. No way would the films have been watchable if Bruce Willis was crawling round in a Gaffer for most of the movie ...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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My question is what makes you think I know about every library of code that might fill a particular need? Or that it fills MY need? Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code? People are really funny. Of course, I could just be too old-school... Maybe it's time to retire...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
I guess one of the advantages of a good library is that by the time you get your sticky little fingers on it, thousands of other hopefuls have already suffered from the most obvious bugs and the worst of them have been sawn-off, sanded down, patched with filler, or occasionally even fixed!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
