I hate Microsoft (well today anyway)
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Odd - no posts from the fanboy's, yet. Perhaps they didn't get a chance to read this thread because they were being updated? It would be a good time to ask them "are we having fun, yet?"
I very much doubt there's anyone in the world that doesn't see the Windows 10 update debacle as, well ... a debacle. That doesn't, however, necessarily mean that Microsoft are evil incarnate; that they started it all by invading Poland or that they deliberately invented the Ebola virus to distract the world from Windows ME. Equally, it doesn't mean that Apple or those in charge of the home-brew UNIX clones have never got anything wrong either. Chances are, they have. It is what it is (an utterly annoying and cr@ppy thing) but it doesn't mean we have to have one of those boring "my multi-trillion dollar corporation is better than your multi-trillion dollar corporation" things that such discussions always seem to turn into.
Rather recently there were other threads on the Win10 Update debacle. And there were supporters of the process - and they said people could just shut them off if they wanted to. Ignoring that it was not a user-available setting and required shutting down the service - which then meant that they weren't offered the updates at all. I've not read the Win10 TOS, but I'd imagine it has an entire section devoted to "if an unwanted updated causes you a problem - well, that's your problem". My comment on those threads really can be summed up as follow: "My upgrade from Win7 is to Linux" (no multi-trillion dollar company there).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Odd - no posts from the fanboy's, yet. Perhaps they didn't get a chance to read this thread because they were being updated? It would be a good time to ask them "are we having fun, yet?"
I very much doubt there's anyone in the world that doesn't see the Windows 10 update debacle as, well ... a debacle. That doesn't, however, necessarily mean that Microsoft are evil incarnate; that they started it all by invading Poland or that they deliberately invented the Ebola virus to distract the world from Windows ME. Equally, it doesn't mean that Apple or those in charge of the home-brew UNIX clones have never got anything wrong either. Chances are, they have. It is what it is (an utterly annoying and cr@ppy thing) but it doesn't mean we have to have one of those boring "my multi-trillion dollar corporation is better than your multi-trillion dollar corporation" things that such discussions always seem to turn into.
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Herbie Mountjoy wrote:
I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled
What ? Since when does the computer decide when a restart has to be done ?
Since Windows 10. Microsoft are trying to do the right thing but in such a ham-fisted way that it's doing more harm than good.
cheers Chris Maunder
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No, that is not how it happens anymore. 10 days ago, it happened to me too, my laptop restarted on itself without asking me anything about it. If this is the case, that you were in the middle of an important work, then personally I would suggest updating the work hours and set it to the timing where your work is about to be done. Windows won't restart during that time.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
personally I would suggest updating the work hours
Completely useless for me. I use a laptop and carry it around. When I'm working it's open and I'm working on it. When I'm not working it's closed and sleeping. I don't leave my laptop running overnight. Make the screen flash hot pink and green or something. Sound a klaxon. Anything. Just DO NOT RESTART MY MACHINE WHILE I'M TYPING.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Rather recently there were other threads on the Win10 Update debacle. And there were supporters of the process - and they said people could just shut them off if they wanted to. Ignoring that it was not a user-available setting and required shutting down the service - which then meant that they weren't offered the updates at all. I've not read the Win10 TOS, but I'd imagine it has an entire section devoted to "if an unwanted updated causes you a problem - well, that's your problem". My comment on those threads really can be summed up as follow: "My upgrade from Win7 is to Linux" (no multi-trillion dollar company there).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
No multi-trillion corporation but still a bunch of humans (an over-engineered and over-produced variety of life-form that can generally be relied on to screw something up at some point in time). I'd imagine that every set of T&Cs ever written has a similar "our problems aren't our problems" section. That's pretty much what T&Cs where invented for. I'm not saying that Microsoft could never do anything to drive me to another OS but this one gets them a yellow card rather than a red.
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Since Windows 10. Microsoft are trying to do the right thing but in such a ham-fisted way that it's doing more harm than good.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
it's doing more harm than good.
In the "every user will learn how to disable permanently Windows Update and will do that by default for the next 3 versions of Windows" way. Considering that once Win7 corrupted itself by not shutting down in order to install updates, on a laptop, without a power supply, that does not come as a surprise to me.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Rather recently there were other threads on the Win10 Update debacle. And there were supporters of the process - and they said people could just shut them off if they wanted to. Ignoring that it was not a user-available setting and required shutting down the service - which then meant that they weren't offered the updates at all. I've not read the Win10 TOS, but I'd imagine it has an entire section devoted to "if an unwanted updated causes you a problem - well, that's your problem". My comment on those threads really can be summed up as follow: "My upgrade from Win7 is to Linux" (no multi-trillion dollar company there).
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
And there were supporters of the process - and they said people could just shut them off if they wanted to.
They're a couple of well known MS wu mao, they always rise to defend their beloved employer when its honor is being endangered.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Odd - no posts from the fanboy's, yet. Perhaps they didn't get a chance to read this thread because they were being updated? It would be a good time to ask them "are we having fun, yet?"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Or maybe they too have been bitten by this p.o.s.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
simply turn off windows update in the services. worked for me. now i physically check once a week myself instead of leaving up to ms. totally stupid policy.
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Odd - no posts from the fanboy's, yet. Perhaps they didn't get a chance to read this thread because they were being updated? It would be a good time to ask them "are we having fun, yet?"
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Set the update options. (Windows 7 also periodically did this, especially on a domain.)
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Herbie Mountjoy wrote:
While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything.
You know, we should really get together for a class action lawsuit against Microsoft and this BS. Marc
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Set the update options. (Windows 7 also periodically did this, especially on a domain.)
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Herbie Mountjoy wrote:
While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything.
You know, we should really get together for a class action lawsuit against Microsoft and this BS. Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project! Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
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Set the update options. (Windows 7 also periodically did this, especially on a domain.)
I think you missed out . . . Lose10 doesn't offer that option. The user has to go to system services to shut it off - something only a very small fraction of user can/would know how to do. Otherwise, it's not an option - it will do what it wants when it wants to. However, once you shut the service, you don't get any messages that updates are available at all.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I think you missed out . . . Lose10 doesn't offer that option. The user has to go to system services to shut it off - something only a very small fraction of user can/would know how to do. Otherwise, it's not an option - it will do what it wants when it wants to. However, once you shut the service, you don't get any messages that updates are available at all.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I was referring to restart times. Go to Start|Settings|Update & Security. You can set a custom restart time and active hours.
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No multi-trillion corporation but still a bunch of humans (an over-engineered and over-produced variety of life-form that can generally be relied on to screw something up at some point in time). I'd imagine that every set of T&Cs ever written has a similar "our problems aren't our problems" section. That's pretty much what T&Cs where invented for. I'm not saying that Microsoft could never do anything to drive me to another OS but this one gets them a yellow card rather than a red.
PeejayAdams wrote:
this one gets them a yellow card rather than a red
My problem is I've given them so many yellows throughout my time spent in their game ... it's been time for me (since around 10 years now) to simply ban them completely from the game (for life), never mind a red card.
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Herbie Mountjoy wrote:
I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled
What ? Since when does the computer decide when a restart has to be done ?
I've tried W10, but not long enough to know about update issues. However, I did run Windows 8 for 2 years+ and hated it, mostly because of various issues around updates - forced restart (occasionally, after forced upgrade) was but one of them. Others were screen-blocking dialogs (really loved them when gaming :mad: ), silently resetting system settings :thumbsdown:, and forcing upgrades at the worst of times, e. g. during comute, without access to power, and battery at 3% X| I will be running 7 for as long as I can, and if Microsoft doesn't fix their upgrade issues by then, I'll go and install another OS. If I want to I can always run Windows 7 in a VM ...
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
This was quite literally the last nail in MS's coffin (for me). Actually I ran into such scenario last year already. Especially also for the fact that I'm in the "awesome" position of living in a country where our internet connection cost is one of the highest in the world - effectively I'm paying (on ISP costs) per month the same as a Win10 pro license (and that for a 20GB hard cap on a 4Mb/s line). So turning off updates was one of the first things I did. But lo and behold ... W10 still has a tendency to turn them back on. Even the idea of "my connection is metered" tends to turn itself off over time. And I keep using up my bandwidth to serve updates to others - no matter how many times I turn off this "feature": Windows 10 silently uses your bandwidth to send updates to others | ZDNet[^] And then what you're describing is what simply made me give up the ghost. I've now only got one "computer" running W10 and that is firewalled at the router so it never sees the internet. Since every time it even sniffs anything like an outside IP address it resets all the settings and does its update thingy, reintroducing all the stuff I've turned off as well as re-installing all the useless bloatware I've previously uninstalled. And always restarting at the most inopportune times - again resetting the restart time settings to its own "idea". Sorry MS ... it used to be just that your OS (and other programs) were buggy enough to bug me in my work. Now you're making me pay for having something which wastes my time constantly. I so wish I could just get away from you, it's getting to the point where I'm starting to think I should move to some other profession where I can in fact find software which does not "require" Windows.
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Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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Windows 10 updates are driving me insane. Previously I had several hours wasted, once in front of a potential client, while I waited for updates to complete. Today Microsoft excelled themselves (oh dear, unintentional pun). While my PC was in the middle of building a very large database the computer shut down and started doing an update. Result, half an hour later I logged back in to find a totally corrupted database. Worse than that, it had also corrupted the system database and now I have to rebuild everything. Yes I did get a notification to tell me a restart was scheduled. But it did say it would happen in the wee small hours when the PC would not be in use. I suppose 1800 hours in Malaysia equates to 0300 in California. Why don't they use PC time for the restarts I wonder? Bah!!! Now where did I out that Linux disc?
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
Running Windows 10 version 1511, Under `Updates > Advanced Options` I've set it to "Notify to Install" so it doesn't auto install & Schedule a reboot.
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I think you missed out . . . Lose10 doesn't offer that option. The user has to go to system services to shut it off - something only a very small fraction of user can/would know how to do. Otherwise, it's not an option - it will do what it wants when it wants to. However, once you shut the service, you don't get any messages that updates are available at all.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I may have to do that on one of our machines at our theatre. It's running the sound and video cueing system, and even if an update was applied when there wasn't a performance taking place, it would be a serious problem if the update stopped the machine working, or uninstalled a driver, which is not unheard of. I'd prefer to be able to say that the machine cannot apply updates at any time in a given range of dates (because of course we know the performance schedule up to a year in advance). Currently we turn off the network connection, but it gets turned back on to download sound files from effects sites and so on, and that can trigger an update, and if someone forgets to disable it after downloading something ...