It's 24 hours I'm back in Italy...
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...and I'm already fed up with the italian rudeness. "thanks", "cheers", "good morning", "sorry", "excuse me" become expletives and insults. And everytime someone explains something he does it as if it completely obvious and you're a moron wasting his precious time - even if his job is precisely explaining what you're asking. Queues become large unorganized graphs and PEOPLE PUSH. For heaven's sake if you push you only SLOW things down, we're not going faster... and the bus won't depart without you on board - usually at least. Shopkeepers are rude and it looks like you're asking them a favour, beggars try to mug people and may follow for hundreds of meters, if someone offers free stuff you often fears he will grab your arm and start asking money; thid gives us italians a bad reputation abroad because we're often suspicious and "on our toes" so we seem rude while we're used to keep an eye on our belongings everytime a stranger initiates a conversation - it's a very common way to distract a person so that an accomplice may pickpocket the victim. I was in London by the way.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
At least Italians do it fashionably.
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Regards, Sander
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At least Italians do it fashionably.
Read my (free) ebook Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly. Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles here on CodeProject.
Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Not at all - one thing I noticed it's that the average italian look is that of an overgrown 7-years old or a hooker. The average brit has much more style than the average Italian, who looks like he/she's found the clothes in the garbage bin (despite spending awful amouts of money for poor quality stuff). If dressed casual we look like dumb children, if dressed formally we look like we stole the clothes from the charity, if we try to have a certain style (like aggressive lady, sexy, metalhead) we look like kindergarteners trying to emulate what we saw from the adults. I could tell Italians from brits with a single look and I never missed. Italian women usually wear several tons of make up and have skins ruined from tens of tanning beds so that at 30 they often look like 50-something.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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My dear chap, the British know how to que! Have a tea and calm down. :)
A queue can be what you make of it. :cool: -- So ... do you often que here?
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My dear chap, the British know how to que! Have a tea and calm down. :)
glennPattonWorking wrote:
the British know how to que!
¿Qué? :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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...and I'm already fed up with the italian rudeness. "thanks", "cheers", "good morning", "sorry", "excuse me" become expletives and insults. And everytime someone explains something he does it as if it completely obvious and you're a moron wasting his precious time - even if his job is precisely explaining what you're asking. Queues become large unorganized graphs and PEOPLE PUSH. For heaven's sake if you push you only SLOW things down, we're not going faster... and the bus won't depart without you on board - usually at least. Shopkeepers are rude and it looks like you're asking them a favour, beggars try to mug people and may follow for hundreds of meters, if someone offers free stuff you often fears he will grab your arm and start asking money; thid gives us italians a bad reputation abroad because we're often suspicious and "on our toes" so we seem rude while we're used to keep an eye on our belongings everytime a stranger initiates a conversation - it's a very common way to distract a person so that an accomplice may pickpocket the victim. I was in London by the way.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Have to agree, Italy drove me crazy. Beautiful, great food, but the people are ridiculous. And don't get me started on the driving. For all the Swiss are a bit distant and like their space, they are at least mannerly. Oh, and competent.
"This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedivere. Explain to me again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes"
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My dear chap, the British know how to que! Have a tea and calm down. :)
A queue is what you make of it. :cool:
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glennPattonWorking wrote:
the British know how to que!
¿Qué? :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Queue, alright I can spell just not type good.
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glennPattonWorking wrote:
the British know how to que!
¿Qué? :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Have to agree, Italy drove me crazy. Beautiful, great food, but the people are ridiculous. And don't get me started on the driving. For all the Swiss are a bit distant and like their space, they are at least mannerly. Oh, and competent.
"This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedivere. Explain to me again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes"
I don't know which city you drove in but when I went in central Italy (much arretrated with respect to the North) I risked my life at least every 5 minutes. Precedence rules? Speed limits? Dangerous overtakes? Wrong lane? Those were the least dangerous moments. In Turin or Milan people actually drive better but the moment you get outside the city proper you're in constant danger.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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(He's from Barcelona)
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
It'd be quicker to train a monkey. :D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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...and I'm already fed up with the italian rudeness. "thanks", "cheers", "good morning", "sorry", "excuse me" become expletives and insults. And everytime someone explains something he does it as if it completely obvious and you're a moron wasting his precious time - even if his job is precisely explaining what you're asking. Queues become large unorganized graphs and PEOPLE PUSH. For heaven's sake if you push you only SLOW things down, we're not going faster... and the bus won't depart without you on board - usually at least. Shopkeepers are rude and it looks like you're asking them a favour, beggars try to mug people and may follow for hundreds of meters, if someone offers free stuff you often fears he will grab your arm and start asking money; thid gives us italians a bad reputation abroad because we're often suspicious and "on our toes" so we seem rude while we're used to keep an eye on our belongings everytime a stranger initiates a conversation - it's a very common way to distract a person so that an accomplice may pickpocket the victim. I was in London by the way.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
The worst thing that happened in italy to me, several times, was while shopping when people randomly walk in front of you stopping in the middle of the corridor blocking everything :|
if(this.signature != "")
{
MessageBox.Show("This is my signature: " + Environment.NewLine + signature);
}
else
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The worst thing that happened in italy to me, several times, was while shopping when people randomly walk in front of you stopping in the middle of the corridor blocking everything :|
if(this.signature != "")
{
MessageBox.Show("This is my signature: " + Environment.NewLine + signature);
}
else
{
MessageBox.Show("404-Signature not found");
}Always. And people standing still in the doorways / at the end of stairs. Sadly my girlfriend does that too... it's 10 years of me moving her from the middle of the passageways and being eaten alive afterwards. And people not keeping the right on corridors and stairs, so if you're in a hurry you're stuck and will always be berated with a contemptuous "run, run..." as if you're an idiot to run, just take it easy, why would you run, for work? Pffft, you don't know how to live [... at the expense of the State and dignity, I might add]. Or being insulted because they have the right to stand still... they have, but out of the way. In fact since a couple of years I started shoving people away, there's no use in talking to an Italian.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Always. And people standing still in the doorways / at the end of stairs. Sadly my girlfriend does that too... it's 10 years of me moving her from the middle of the passageways and being eaten alive afterwards. And people not keeping the right on corridors and stairs, so if you're in a hurry you're stuck and will always be berated with a contemptuous "run, run..." as if you're an idiot to run, just take it easy, why would you run, for work? Pffft, you don't know how to live [... at the expense of the State and dignity, I might add]. Or being insulted because they have the right to stand still... they have, but out of the way. In fact since a couple of years I started shoving people away, there's no use in talking to an Italian.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Next year i'll have that again when we go to italy to spend our holidays. But it's okay if it's only for 2 weeks :)
den2k88 wrote:
there's no use in talking to an Italian.
GCS d--- s-/+
I don't understand them at all :laugh:
if(this.signature != "")
{
MessageBox.Show("This is my signature: " + Environment.NewLine + signature);
}
else
{
MessageBox.Show("404-Signature not found");
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...and I'm already fed up with the italian rudeness. "thanks", "cheers", "good morning", "sorry", "excuse me" become expletives and insults. And everytime someone explains something he does it as if it completely obvious and you're a moron wasting his precious time - even if his job is precisely explaining what you're asking. Queues become large unorganized graphs and PEOPLE PUSH. For heaven's sake if you push you only SLOW things down, we're not going faster... and the bus won't depart without you on board - usually at least. Shopkeepers are rude and it looks like you're asking them a favour, beggars try to mug people and may follow for hundreds of meters, if someone offers free stuff you often fears he will grab your arm and start asking money; thid gives us italians a bad reputation abroad because we're often suspicious and "on our toes" so we seem rude while we're used to keep an eye on our belongings everytime a stranger initiates a conversation - it's a very common way to distract a person so that an accomplice may pickpocket the victim. I was in London by the way.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Italians DO IT better All the rest doesn't count
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Italians DO IT better All the rest doesn't count
You're right, I'm just trying to find what is "IT". Due exception with food, probably the only good thing we have. and until some years ago worker rights, then Fornero arrived and elephanted us all. No services, no politeness, no honesty, no pay, no rights. Transportation by public service is possibleonly in big cities with absurd delays and waiting times, transportation by car is extremely costly and the roads aren't maintained. National health service squanders money on acupuncture and has waiting times for urgent life-saving operation of 15+ months. Crime is uncontrolled and the Police can't act, can't defend from assault and has no money for the gasoline so they can't patrol... despite us having TWO distinct Police corps + one dedicated mainly to financial felonies. If you defend your life in your home you get prosecuted and have to pay reparations to the assailant or its family. Clandestine immigration is not checked so we have thousand of nameless people in every city who often are criminals or turn to crime after having 0 possibilities (despite us natives having 0 possibilities either). Engineers are paid peanuts for gold, public offices are corrupt and inefficient, our laws are as convolutd as possible in order to give as many getaways as possible to rich people, organized crime controls everything and it isn't rooted out. We do IT better, just I still don't know WHAT. Except food. Eat to forget?
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Queue, alright I can spell just not type good.
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You're right, I'm just trying to find what is "IT". Due exception with food, probably the only good thing we have. and until some years ago worker rights, then Fornero arrived and elephanted us all. No services, no politeness, no honesty, no pay, no rights. Transportation by public service is possibleonly in big cities with absurd delays and waiting times, transportation by car is extremely costly and the roads aren't maintained. National health service squanders money on acupuncture and has waiting times for urgent life-saving operation of 15+ months. Crime is uncontrolled and the Police can't act, can't defend from assault and has no money for the gasoline so they can't patrol... despite us having TWO distinct Police corps + one dedicated mainly to financial felonies. If you defend your life in your home you get prosecuted and have to pay reparations to the assailant or its family. Clandestine immigration is not checked so we have thousand of nameless people in every city who often are criminals or turn to crime after having 0 possibilities (despite us natives having 0 possibilities either). Engineers are paid peanuts for gold, public offices are corrupt and inefficient, our laws are as convolutd as possible in order to give as many getaways as possible to rich people, organized crime controls everything and it isn't rooted out. We do IT better, just I still don't know WHAT. Except food. Eat to forget?
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
Hate to say this mate, but you re biting the hand that fed you, and it is never a good thing. I understand you re now living somewhere else, and you probably feel better, more secure, well paid. But don't spit onto a whole country , because there are still good people living, working and fighting for it in there. And whatever you may like it or not, that country gave birth to you and probably to your parents. You studied, got your first car, got your first girl and your first hangover in there . Well, there are countries where this is not possible. So, Italians may not know how to queue, but if you now are a good IT and a smart guy, well, this is also due to the culture where you grew up. Never forget where your bread's buttered, mate
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Hate to say this mate, but you re biting the hand that fed you, and it is never a good thing. I understand you re now living somewhere else, and you probably feel better, more secure, well paid. But don't spit onto a whole country , because there are still good people living, working and fighting for it in there. And whatever you may like it or not, that country gave birth to you and probably to your parents. You studied, got your first car, got your first girl and your first hangover in there . Well, there are countries where this is not possible. So, Italians may not know how to queue, but if you now are a good IT and a smart guy, well, this is also due to the culture where you grew up. Never forget where your bread's buttered, mate
I live in freaking Italy and I am the one feeding it not the way around - a nation is made of and lives off its citizens and not viceversa. I am smart because I am smart and my parents taught me to be that way not becauso of Italy - I've been disciplinary sanctioned in high school because I was the best in my class!!! And it was easy since a couple of people in that class still sillabated when reading!!! One of them asked with how many zeroes is 10.000 written and she was 18 for elephant's sake! I'm a good IT guy (I hope so) because I poured sweat blood and sunshine when the whole society tried to keep me backward, obtaining my first Internet access in 2009 and it was a 32 kbps GPRS connection while the world had fiber. I had to waste 6 hours per day to commute 50 kms, wasting a lot of time I could have used properly. And I still live here, in Piedmont. I work as an engineer and I'm paid slightly more than a labourer. My car is worth 500€ and I have to thank the passing of my grandpa if I have it.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Hate to say this mate, but you re biting the hand that fed you, and it is never a good thing. I understand you re now living somewhere else, and you probably feel better, more secure, well paid. But don't spit onto a whole country , because there are still good people living, working and fighting for it in there. And whatever you may like it or not, that country gave birth to you and probably to your parents. You studied, got your first car, got your first girl and your first hangover in there . Well, there are countries where this is not possible. So, Italians may not know how to queue, but if you now are a good IT and a smart guy, well, this is also due to the culture where you grew up. Never forget where your bread's buttered, mate
Aless Alessio wrote:
Hate to say this mate, but you re biting the hand that fed you, and it is never a good thing.
Respecting the hand purely for your food is not a very good thing :~
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It'd be quicker to train a monkey. :D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
