So... Trump Molested 2 Women...
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I may not support either Trump or Clinton but I have to wonder about the timing on this one. Why wait until just weeks before the general election to bring this forward instead of during the primaries? Sounds a little too convenient to me.
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Yeah, it looks like a political stunt by the Clinton campaign. If he really had a history of sexual crimes, there would also be a history of investigations and/or charges filed long before the presidential run. No such history exists. Eventually, these allegations will be discredited, but the idea is to have them affect voting results first. Note that the Clintons have extensive experience with accusations of sexual misconduct, and Trump is new to it. Maybe they hope to use the experience gap to their advantage.
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Yeah, it looks like a political stunt by the Clinton campaign. If he really had a history of sexual crimes, there would also be a history of investigations and/or charges filed long before the presidential run. No such history exists. Eventually, these allegations will be discredited, but the idea is to have them affect voting results first. Note that the Clintons have extensive experience with accusations of sexual misconduct, and Trump is new to it. Maybe they hope to use the experience gap to their advantage.
You know, considering that there is crap like this in most campaigns, it's no wonder that nobody with intelligence gets elected. Anybody who is smart is smart enough not to run for office and be subjected to such vitriol. I miss the days when politicians were elected on policy positions and debating skills and not by who can make the other candidate look worse. Currently, you have to be a masochist to seriously run for office in this country.
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I thought these were just allegations printed in the press, I had no idea he had actually been tried and convicted of molesting women. Thanks for the update.
Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too? Where there's smoke there's fire. There is also a TON of 100% UNDENIABLE proof that he is hella creepy. Apprentice Tapes Billy Bush Tapes Howard Stern Tapes Miss America All the comments he's made during the primaries There is even a tape of him commenting about a LITTLE GIRL that he'll be dating her in 10 yrs.
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I may not support either Trump or Clinton but I have to wonder about the timing on this one. Why wait until just weeks before the general election to bring this forward instead of during the primaries? Sounds a little too convenient to me.
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Well, I will agree the timing is well timed LOL. But honestly, he's been going off the rails for months. Whether you like Hillary or not, Trump is just not fit to be president. I voted for Romney last time and I wanted Hill the time before that. This stuff SHOULD be released so we know what we're getting. Can you imagine the craziness that would occur if all these things came out about a sitting president?
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Yeah, it looks like a political stunt by the Clinton campaign. If he really had a history of sexual crimes, there would also be a history of investigations and/or charges filed long before the presidential run. No such history exists. Eventually, these allegations will be discredited, but the idea is to have them affect voting results first. Note that the Clintons have extensive experience with accusations of sexual misconduct, and Trump is new to it. Maybe they hope to use the experience gap to their advantage.
Trump handles accusations badly. Every time he is accused of something he gets all immature and melts down further. He doesn't have the temperament to be prez is right. You need somebody that's emotionally stable. Trump is not.
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Trump handles accusations badly. Every time he is accused of something he gets all immature and melts down further. He doesn't have the temperament to be prez is right. You need somebody that's emotionally stable. Trump is not.
The "wrong temperament to be president" is just a Clinton campaign catch-phrase not based in reality. If you never saw the phrase in campaign ads or news articles, it would never occur to you. Negative labels can be slapped on every personality or presentation style: it's standard practice for political ads and never really means anything. Watch Trump's speeches on YouTube before reading the CNN summaries of them, and you'll end up with very different impressions (I've never seen a "melt-down" or "cratering" or "self-destruct" actually happen).
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The "wrong temperament to be president" is just a Clinton campaign catch-phrase not based in reality. If you never saw the phrase in campaign ads or news articles, it would never occur to you. Negative labels can be slapped on every personality or presentation style: it's standard practice for political ads and never really means anything. Watch Trump's speeches on YouTube before reading the CNN summaries of them, and you'll end up with very different impressions (I've never seen a "melt-down" or "cratering" or "self-destruct" actually happen).
The "wrong temperament to be president" phrase is definitely a Clinton catch-phrase and I definitely would not have called it that myself. Not based in reality? Come on now. I watched the debates and some of his speeches both now and during the primaries and I saw this long before Clinton started pointing it out. I personally called it "being an immature crybaby". Whenever something goes wrong for him or starts to head south, he'll make a childish comment and go off the rails and off message and make some obnoxious comment. "My mic was rig", "this is rigged", "that's rigged", "she's a fat pig", "I meant this", "that was taken out of context", blah, blah, etc. He's thin skinned and its easy to provoke him and push his buttons. Heck, I could probably drive him to mass murder as I've been told I can push peoples buttons sometimes LOL. Now, if you haven't picked up on it, I'm a Hill supporter this time around :), but when she was going up against O (I was for her back then too), I kept saying she was blowing it by making childish comments and being a sore loser, etc. Bernie did it this time. Every time he lost a primary he was the worlds biggest crybaby even though he lost fair and square and when you do that, things start to unravel. You'll notice that this go around whenever Hill lost to Bernie, she didn't act like she did in her first run. She kept her poise and kept ignoring him and let him go down in flames by himself. Exactly what she's doing with Trump and exactly what O did with her. Like why is Trump harping on Bill and things Bill did? Bill ain't running. Why is he still harping on the emails? Yeah, she shouldn't have done it, but she didn't break any laws. End of story. Whether you agree with that or not, that's the deal. Now that we're starting to get glimpses that its not just locker room talk... last time I checked, molesting people was illegal too. You might say the email thing involved national security, but so does what Trump did or potentially will do. Like I said in another response, you think our nation will be secure if Trump was prez and he suddenly got arrested for rape or some sex crime? North Korea is definitely a button pusher. Syria is definitely a button pusher. They can easily provoke Trump into war or worse. That's what people are afraid of. Hill and O are a little too PC on that front, but Trump is waaay too eager to push the button.
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charlieg wrote:
But wait, where's the rage against Bill? (crickets)
Two points for you to consider: 1) Bill isn't running, Hillary is. 2) Hump, himself, bitched about them bringing up 10-year old stuff to hold him accountable. So, if that's what he believes, why does he even bring up Bill?
charlieg wrote:
she and her staff have been directly implicated in obstruction of justice and multiple felonies.
That means, in translation, that they've been accused. Also, not a single investigation has found them guilty of any criminal wrongdoing. But, save your keyboard some wear: you'll just call it a cover-up, and I understand. In the Donald Hump support world, if you're accused and evidence is found, you're guilty, and if no evidence is found, it's a cover-up. Please apply that to Hump and his bribing the Florida attorney general with money from his foundation, using it to pay his debts, buy pictures of himself, and football helmets, and the Hump University and it's fraudulent scam. And all the contractors who he wouldn't pay, causing many to go out of business, and on and on and on. If he's not indicted for this stuff, like the bribe, it's the biggest coverup ever. You're likely answer: Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil - at least not about the orange-faced liar.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Oh don't worry, I really don't like them both. But if you want to get self-righteous about Trump's alleged use of charity funds to "buy off" the attorney general of Florida, then I'm certain to get a huge, multi-page post about the massive obstruction of justice operation between the White House, Hillary, the State Dept, FBI and the Justice Department. Right? Well? Wait, you mean you didn't hear that Comey's brother in law got the accounting contract for Hillary's foundation? But then there is Haiti? Then there is the classified data on her server that violates federal data retention acts? PUH LEASE. Trump isn't even in the Clinton's league for graft and bribery. I vote for the person who is most likely going to elephant up the establishment raping the country. If you're even the least bit upset with Trump, you should be carefully taking your meds for Hillary.
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Wasn't meant as a troll (and I didn't know politics weren't allowed here), but I forgot this is the internet and especially CP LOL.
fair enough, sorry, too much coffee :)
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Well, I will agree the timing is well timed LOL. But honestly, he's been going off the rails for months. Whether you like Hillary or not, Trump is just not fit to be president. I voted for Romney last time and I wanted Hill the time before that. This stuff SHOULD be released so we know what we're getting. Can you imagine the craziness that would occur if all these things came out about a sitting president?
Good, you agree the timing is suspect. Claiming Trump is not fit means you should use the same judgements against Hillary (Egypt, Libya, Syria... sounds like not fit to be president to me, but I digress). The fact is that the media is a left wing shill now for Democrats. It's undeniable. Would we know about JFKs dalliances? Nope, never mentioned. Bill's? Only Drudge broke that story and the sitting President perjured himself and pleaded guilty to such act. It took FOIA requests from a separate lawsuit from a private party to finally reveal the "private" server. The Clinton's have a 30 year history of this ##@#. Hillary is not fit to be President. I'm done, may God help us
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Good, you agree the timing is suspect. Claiming Trump is not fit means you should use the same judgements against Hillary (Egypt, Libya, Syria... sounds like not fit to be president to me, but I digress). The fact is that the media is a left wing shill now for Democrats. It's undeniable. Would we know about JFKs dalliances? Nope, never mentioned. Bill's? Only Drudge broke that story and the sitting President perjured himself and pleaded guilty to such act. It took FOIA requests from a separate lawsuit from a private party to finally reveal the "private" server. The Clinton's have a 30 year history of this ##@#. Hillary is not fit to be President. I'm done, may God help us
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
My issue with him is his erratic and childish behavior. I do agree that we should tighten our borders and we definitely need to take a harder line on drugs, guns and foreign policy. Some of the stuff that Trump promises is just fantasy nonsense. 4% growth? There isn't a single economist out there who thinks that possible. I have a better chance of dating Mila Kunis then *anybody* has of getting to 4% growth in 4 - 8 yrs. The other issue I have with Trump is that he will run into the same issue that O has. Congress won't work with him and he won't work with them Period. So he'll be a lame duck. How does he expect to get anything done? O hasn't gotten anything done because congress fights him on everything. They'll work with Hillary though. So, yeah, we might not get everything perfect in 4 - 8 yrs, but at least we'll make progress.
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My issue with him is his erratic and childish behavior. I do agree that we should tighten our borders and we definitely need to take a harder line on drugs, guns and foreign policy. Some of the stuff that Trump promises is just fantasy nonsense. 4% growth? There isn't a single economist out there who thinks that possible. I have a better chance of dating Mila Kunis then *anybody* has of getting to 4% growth in 4 - 8 yrs. The other issue I have with Trump is that he will run into the same issue that O has. Congress won't work with him and he won't work with them Period. So he'll be a lame duck. How does he expect to get anything done? O hasn't gotten anything done because congress fights him on everything. They'll work with Hillary though. So, yeah, we might not get everything perfect in 4 - 8 yrs, but at least we'll make progress.
Make progress? :doh: toward what the cliff? Whatever
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Make progress? :doh: toward what the cliff? Whatever
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
toward what the cliff?
The one that his poll numbers fell off? :-O
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The "wrong temperament to be president" phrase is definitely a Clinton catch-phrase and I definitely would not have called it that myself. Not based in reality? Come on now. I watched the debates and some of his speeches both now and during the primaries and I saw this long before Clinton started pointing it out. I personally called it "being an immature crybaby". Whenever something goes wrong for him or starts to head south, he'll make a childish comment and go off the rails and off message and make some obnoxious comment. "My mic was rig", "this is rigged", "that's rigged", "she's a fat pig", "I meant this", "that was taken out of context", blah, blah, etc. He's thin skinned and its easy to provoke him and push his buttons. Heck, I could probably drive him to mass murder as I've been told I can push peoples buttons sometimes LOL. Now, if you haven't picked up on it, I'm a Hill supporter this time around :), but when she was going up against O (I was for her back then too), I kept saying she was blowing it by making childish comments and being a sore loser, etc. Bernie did it this time. Every time he lost a primary he was the worlds biggest crybaby even though he lost fair and square and when you do that, things start to unravel. You'll notice that this go around whenever Hill lost to Bernie, she didn't act like she did in her first run. She kept her poise and kept ignoring him and let him go down in flames by himself. Exactly what she's doing with Trump and exactly what O did with her. Like why is Trump harping on Bill and things Bill did? Bill ain't running. Why is he still harping on the emails? Yeah, she shouldn't have done it, but she didn't break any laws. End of story. Whether you agree with that or not, that's the deal. Now that we're starting to get glimpses that its not just locker room talk... last time I checked, molesting people was illegal too. You might say the email thing involved national security, but so does what Trump did or potentially will do. Like I said in another response, you think our nation will be secure if Trump was prez and he suddenly got arrested for rape or some sex crime? North Korea is definitely a button pusher. Syria is definitely a button pusher. They can easily provoke Trump into war or worse. That's what people are afraid of. Hill and O are a little too PC on that front, but Trump is waaay too eager to push the button.
The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited. On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would. Also, the "button pusher" label is unrealistic. If other world leaders (for example, Putin of Russia) feared he'd start a nuclear war on a whim, they'd discourage his candidacy. But the Clinton campaign pushes BOTH the conspiracy theory that Russia (with Wikileaks) secretly supports a Trump presidency while ALSO pushing the idea that Trump lacks the self-control necessary for military leadership or nuclear weapons. These two narratives together suggest that Putin desperately wants to be annihilated in a nuclear war. An absurd notion. However, most major media sources side with Clinton, and they blindly print what her campaign instructs regardless of how insane and surreal the stories end up being. Media corporations take orders from Clinton (proven by Wikileaks), and the media stories become more delusional as the election nears. Outside these delusional narratives, I don't see any major issues with a Trump presidency.
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The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited. On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would. Also, the "button pusher" label is unrealistic. If other world leaders (for example, Putin of Russia) feared he'd start a nuclear war on a whim, they'd discourage his candidacy. But the Clinton campaign pushes BOTH the conspiracy theory that Russia (with Wikileaks) secretly supports a Trump presidency while ALSO pushing the idea that Trump lacks the self-control necessary for military leadership or nuclear weapons. These two narratives together suggest that Putin desperately wants to be annihilated in a nuclear war. An absurd notion. However, most major media sources side with Clinton, and they blindly print what her campaign instructs regardless of how insane and surreal the stories end up being. Media corporations take orders from Clinton (proven by Wikileaks), and the media stories become more delusional as the election nears. Outside these delusional narratives, I don't see any major issues with a Trump presidency.
jesarg wrote:
The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited.
The Access Hollywood tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The Howard Stern tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making a sexual comment about an underage girl is manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making sexual comments about his daughter is manufactured? Ok... :doh: Sexual assault is a sex crime last time I checked. Did he do it? Well, along with the tapes, his attitude, his ego, etc. I'd believe it. Apparently the NYT did as well since they just issued a statement saying they stand by it and are not retracting.
jesarg wrote:
On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would.
She does? I wasn't aware she's been convicted or charged with any crime. I also wasn't aware there was any evidence of such things. No open investigations either. Thanks for bring me up to speed.
jesarg wrote:
However, most major media sources side with Clinton
I agree with this.
jesarg wrote:
how insane and surreal the stories end up being
You lost me again. Tapes. BTW, speaking of all the stuff you accuse Clinton of, where are Trumps tax records? Still being "audited" I guess? Why doesn't he let them release The Apprentice tapes? Or waive his NDAs? Oh yeah, that's right, since according to EVERYBODY who worked on the show, they are filled with n-bombs, sexist, racist, homophobic and anti-disability rants. More manufactured stuff I guess? :zzz:
jesarg wrote:
Outside these delusional narratives
Again. You lost me. Trump says he won both debates. Nobody agrees with him. Trump says he is leading in the polls. Only Rasmussen agrees with him. Every other polling company says Clinton is up 5 to 10 points. They must be in bed with her. Trump says the election is rigged. The media is definitely biased against him. That's no
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Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too? Where there's smoke there's fire. There is also a TON of 100% UNDENIABLE proof that he is hella creepy. Apprentice Tapes Billy Bush Tapes Howard Stern Tapes Miss America All the comments he's made during the primaries There is even a tape of him commenting about a LITTLE GIRL that he'll be dating her in 10 yrs.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too?
You're missing the point. When Hillary is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume that is because she is innocent, when Trump is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume he is guilty. Such obvious and blatant bias shows you're not arguing from a point of reason.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Where there's smoke there's fire
Again in your eyes that is only true of Trump and not Clinton.
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Oh don't worry, I really don't like them both. But if you want to get self-righteous about Trump's alleged use of charity funds to "buy off" the attorney general of Florida, then I'm certain to get a huge, multi-page post about the massive obstruction of justice operation between the White House, Hillary, the State Dept, FBI and the Justice Department. Right? Well? Wait, you mean you didn't hear that Comey's brother in law got the accounting contract for Hillary's foundation? But then there is Haiti? Then there is the classified data on her server that violates federal data retention acts? PUH LEASE. Trump isn't even in the Clinton's league for graft and bribery. I vote for the person who is most likely going to elephant up the establishment raping the country. If you're even the least bit upset with Trump, you should be carefully taking your meds for Hillary.
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
you should be carefully taking your meds for Hillary.
Clearly you've doubled-down on your meds. Do you listen to what the Hump says? You know, once upon a timetheir was a book, Mein Kampf, and who'd have taken that seriously? You can see how well that turned out. And the author of Mein Kampf used the same tactics as Hump. And, along with little Bennito, loved to gesture and mime during speeches; and ranted and raved - and well, all the same shit. So, get a glass of water and keep swallowing those little tablets that make sense of it all for you.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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NYT just released a bombshell saying Trump molested 2 women (at least). He of course denied everything and threatened to sue. At the same time he also said he isn't showing up to the 3rd debate because its all rigged against him. LMAO!!! I've long been predicting that Hillary was going to land slide him, but after the tape and the 2nd debate... and now this. RCP was predicting 340 vs. 198... after this... GOP is going to flee from him like nobody's business. I'm calling it now... Trump will drop out soon. He's living on a different planet for sure saying he won the debate and is leading in women voters or something like that LOL... but it would be stupid to lose in the biggest landslide in history... even for him.
If he murdered a busload of orphans wearing nothing but a smile and an icepick he might be a worse human being than Hillary. Maybe. That's the bar.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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If he murdered a busload of orphans wearing nothing but a smile and an icepick he might be a worse human being than Hillary. Maybe. That's the bar.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
So running a private email server is worse then sex crimes? Interesting bar you have there.
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too?
You're missing the point. When Hillary is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume that is because she is innocent, when Trump is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume he is guilty. Such obvious and blatant bias shows you're not arguing from a point of reason.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Where there's smoke there's fire
Again in your eyes that is only true of Trump and not Clinton.
The email server was dumb, but not illegal. She's not a sociopath. Trump clearly is one. You see there IS evidence against Trump. All those tapes. You just choose to ignore them because you have a bias against Clinton. If you made sexual comments about my daughter to me, I'd rip your head off and have you eating through a straw. Trump, on the other hand, agrees with your comments and joins in on the fun while also making sexual comments about underage girls. Why do you choose to ignore everything Trump does? But not Hillary?