So... Trump Molested 2 Women...
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My issue with him is his erratic and childish behavior. I do agree that we should tighten our borders and we definitely need to take a harder line on drugs, guns and foreign policy. Some of the stuff that Trump promises is just fantasy nonsense. 4% growth? There isn't a single economist out there who thinks that possible. I have a better chance of dating Mila Kunis then *anybody* has of getting to 4% growth in 4 - 8 yrs. The other issue I have with Trump is that he will run into the same issue that O has. Congress won't work with him and he won't work with them Period. So he'll be a lame duck. How does he expect to get anything done? O hasn't gotten anything done because congress fights him on everything. They'll work with Hillary though. So, yeah, we might not get everything perfect in 4 - 8 yrs, but at least we'll make progress.
Make progress? :doh: toward what the cliff? Whatever
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Make progress? :doh: toward what the cliff? Whatever
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
toward what the cliff?
The one that his poll numbers fell off? :-O
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The "wrong temperament to be president" phrase is definitely a Clinton catch-phrase and I definitely would not have called it that myself. Not based in reality? Come on now. I watched the debates and some of his speeches both now and during the primaries and I saw this long before Clinton started pointing it out. I personally called it "being an immature crybaby". Whenever something goes wrong for him or starts to head south, he'll make a childish comment and go off the rails and off message and make some obnoxious comment. "My mic was rig", "this is rigged", "that's rigged", "she's a fat pig", "I meant this", "that was taken out of context", blah, blah, etc. He's thin skinned and its easy to provoke him and push his buttons. Heck, I could probably drive him to mass murder as I've been told I can push peoples buttons sometimes LOL. Now, if you haven't picked up on it, I'm a Hill supporter this time around :), but when she was going up against O (I was for her back then too), I kept saying she was blowing it by making childish comments and being a sore loser, etc. Bernie did it this time. Every time he lost a primary he was the worlds biggest crybaby even though he lost fair and square and when you do that, things start to unravel. You'll notice that this go around whenever Hill lost to Bernie, she didn't act like she did in her first run. She kept her poise and kept ignoring him and let him go down in flames by himself. Exactly what she's doing with Trump and exactly what O did with her. Like why is Trump harping on Bill and things Bill did? Bill ain't running. Why is he still harping on the emails? Yeah, she shouldn't have done it, but she didn't break any laws. End of story. Whether you agree with that or not, that's the deal. Now that we're starting to get glimpses that its not just locker room talk... last time I checked, molesting people was illegal too. You might say the email thing involved national security, but so does what Trump did or potentially will do. Like I said in another response, you think our nation will be secure if Trump was prez and he suddenly got arrested for rape or some sex crime? North Korea is definitely a button pusher. Syria is definitely a button pusher. They can easily provoke Trump into war or worse. That's what people are afraid of. Hill and O are a little too PC on that front, but Trump is waaay too eager to push the button.
The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited. On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would. Also, the "button pusher" label is unrealistic. If other world leaders (for example, Putin of Russia) feared he'd start a nuclear war on a whim, they'd discourage his candidacy. But the Clinton campaign pushes BOTH the conspiracy theory that Russia (with Wikileaks) secretly supports a Trump presidency while ALSO pushing the idea that Trump lacks the self-control necessary for military leadership or nuclear weapons. These two narratives together suggest that Putin desperately wants to be annihilated in a nuclear war. An absurd notion. However, most major media sources side with Clinton, and they blindly print what her campaign instructs regardless of how insane and surreal the stories end up being. Media corporations take orders from Clinton (proven by Wikileaks), and the media stories become more delusional as the election nears. Outside these delusional narratives, I don't see any major issues with a Trump presidency.
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The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited. On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would. Also, the "button pusher" label is unrealistic. If other world leaders (for example, Putin of Russia) feared he'd start a nuclear war on a whim, they'd discourage his candidacy. But the Clinton campaign pushes BOTH the conspiracy theory that Russia (with Wikileaks) secretly supports a Trump presidency while ALSO pushing the idea that Trump lacks the self-control necessary for military leadership or nuclear weapons. These two narratives together suggest that Putin desperately wants to be annihilated in a nuclear war. An absurd notion. However, most major media sources side with Clinton, and they blindly print what her campaign instructs regardless of how insane and surreal the stories end up being. Media corporations take orders from Clinton (proven by Wikileaks), and the media stories become more delusional as the election nears. Outside these delusional narratives, I don't see any major issues with a Trump presidency.
jesarg wrote:
The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited.
The Access Hollywood tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The Howard Stern tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making a sexual comment about an underage girl is manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making sexual comments about his daughter is manufactured? Ok... :doh: Sexual assault is a sex crime last time I checked. Did he do it? Well, along with the tapes, his attitude, his ego, etc. I'd believe it. Apparently the NYT did as well since they just issued a statement saying they stand by it and are not retracting.
jesarg wrote:
On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would.
She does? I wasn't aware she's been convicted or charged with any crime. I also wasn't aware there was any evidence of such things. No open investigations either. Thanks for bring me up to speed.
jesarg wrote:
However, most major media sources side with Clinton
I agree with this.
jesarg wrote:
how insane and surreal the stories end up being
You lost me again. Tapes. BTW, speaking of all the stuff you accuse Clinton of, where are Trumps tax records? Still being "audited" I guess? Why doesn't he let them release The Apprentice tapes? Or waive his NDAs? Oh yeah, that's right, since according to EVERYBODY who worked on the show, they are filled with n-bombs, sexist, racist, homophobic and anti-disability rants. More manufactured stuff I guess? :zzz:
jesarg wrote:
Outside these delusional narratives
Again. You lost me. Trump says he won both debates. Nobody agrees with him. Trump says he is leading in the polls. Only Rasmussen agrees with him. Every other polling company says Clinton is up 5 to 10 points. They must be in bed with her. Trump says the election is rigged. The media is definitely biased against him. That's no
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Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too? Where there's smoke there's fire. There is also a TON of 100% UNDENIABLE proof that he is hella creepy. Apprentice Tapes Billy Bush Tapes Howard Stern Tapes Miss America All the comments he's made during the primaries There is even a tape of him commenting about a LITTLE GIRL that he'll be dating her in 10 yrs.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too?
You're missing the point. When Hillary is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume that is because she is innocent, when Trump is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume he is guilty. Such obvious and blatant bias shows you're not arguing from a point of reason.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Where there's smoke there's fire
Again in your eyes that is only true of Trump and not Clinton.
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Oh don't worry, I really don't like them both. But if you want to get self-righteous about Trump's alleged use of charity funds to "buy off" the attorney general of Florida, then I'm certain to get a huge, multi-page post about the massive obstruction of justice operation between the White House, Hillary, the State Dept, FBI and the Justice Department. Right? Well? Wait, you mean you didn't hear that Comey's brother in law got the accounting contract for Hillary's foundation? But then there is Haiti? Then there is the classified data on her server that violates federal data retention acts? PUH LEASE. Trump isn't even in the Clinton's league for graft and bribery. I vote for the person who is most likely going to elephant up the establishment raping the country. If you're even the least bit upset with Trump, you should be carefully taking your meds for Hillary.
Charlie Gilley Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
charlieg wrote:
you should be carefully taking your meds for Hillary.
Clearly you've doubled-down on your meds. Do you listen to what the Hump says? You know, once upon a timetheir was a book, Mein Kampf, and who'd have taken that seriously? You can see how well that turned out. And the author of Mein Kampf used the same tactics as Hump. And, along with little Bennito, loved to gesture and mime during speeches; and ranted and raved - and well, all the same shit. So, get a glass of water and keep swallowing those little tablets that make sense of it all for you.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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NYT just released a bombshell saying Trump molested 2 women (at least). He of course denied everything and threatened to sue. At the same time he also said he isn't showing up to the 3rd debate because its all rigged against him. LMAO!!! I've long been predicting that Hillary was going to land slide him, but after the tape and the 2nd debate... and now this. RCP was predicting 340 vs. 198... after this... GOP is going to flee from him like nobody's business. I'm calling it now... Trump will drop out soon. He's living on a different planet for sure saying he won the debate and is leading in women voters or something like that LOL... but it would be stupid to lose in the biggest landslide in history... even for him.
If he murdered a busload of orphans wearing nothing but a smile and an icepick he might be a worse human being than Hillary. Maybe. That's the bar.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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If he murdered a busload of orphans wearing nothing but a smile and an icepick he might be a worse human being than Hillary. Maybe. That's the bar.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
So running a private email server is worse then sex crimes? Interesting bar you have there.
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Do you believe Bill Cosby is innocent too?
You're missing the point. When Hillary is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume that is because she is innocent, when Trump is not tried and convicted of a crime you assume he is guilty. Such obvious and blatant bias shows you're not arguing from a point of reason.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Where there's smoke there's fire
Again in your eyes that is only true of Trump and not Clinton.
The email server was dumb, but not illegal. She's not a sociopath. Trump clearly is one. You see there IS evidence against Trump. All those tapes. You just choose to ignore them because you have a bias against Clinton. If you made sexual comments about my daughter to me, I'd rip your head off and have you eating through a straw. Trump, on the other hand, agrees with your comments and joins in on the fun while also making sexual comments about underage girls. Why do you choose to ignore everything Trump does? But not Hillary?
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The email server was dumb, but not illegal. She's not a sociopath. Trump clearly is one. You see there IS evidence against Trump. All those tapes. You just choose to ignore them because you have a bias against Clinton. If you made sexual comments about my daughter to me, I'd rip your head off and have you eating through a straw. Trump, on the other hand, agrees with your comments and joins in on the fun while also making sexual comments about underage girls. Why do you choose to ignore everything Trump does? But not Hillary?
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
The email server was dumb, but not illegal.
No smoke without fire though, right?
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
You see there IS evidence against Trump
I never said there wasn't.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
You just choose to ignore them because you have a bias against Clinton
What have I said that shows a bias against Clinton? You seem to be under the misconception that I'm defending Trump simply because I pulled you up on your arguments. I pulled you up on your arguments to show you they were pretty hypocritical. I'm not making any comments on Clinton or Trump, not am I giving an opinion on who is guilty or not guilty of what. I was simply pointing out the glaring flaw in your reasoning and why people might not take your arguments seriously.
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So running a private email server is worse then sex crimes? Interesting bar you have there.
Nah, treason is though.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
The email server was dumb, but not illegal.
No smoke without fire though, right?
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
You see there IS evidence against Trump
I never said there wasn't.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
You just choose to ignore them because you have a bias against Clinton
What have I said that shows a bias against Clinton? You seem to be under the misconception that I'm defending Trump simply because I pulled you up on your arguments. I pulled you up on your arguments to show you they were pretty hypocritical. I'm not making any comments on Clinton or Trump, not am I giving an opinion on who is guilty or not guilty of what. I was simply pointing out the glaring flaw in your reasoning and why people might not take your arguments seriously.
Your reasoning seems highly flawed as well since you seem to put sex crimes on the same level as running email servers. I don't. She was also cleared of any wrong doing. Trump has not. His response was to pay 4 women to testify against her husband who isn't even running.
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Nah, treason is though.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
Treason? What treason? Is there an investigation open I haven't heard about? Are you implying that running a private email server is treason?
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Your reasoning seems highly flawed as well since you seem to put sex crimes on the same level as running email servers. I don't. She was also cleared of any wrong doing. Trump has not. His response was to pay 4 women to testify against her husband who isn't even running.
SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Your reasoning seems highly flawed as well since you seem to put sex crimes on the same level as running email servers.
I did no such thing, you're simply grasping at straws in yet more ad hominem fallacies. I will say once again, I am not making any statement about Trump or Clinton, I am merely commenting on your bias arguments.
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SledgeHammer01 wrote:
Your reasoning seems highly flawed as well since you seem to put sex crimes on the same level as running email servers.
I did no such thing, you're simply grasping at straws in yet more ad hominem fallacies. I will say once again, I am not making any statement about Trump or Clinton, I am merely commenting on your bias arguments.
I did no such thing. The only thing you have said so far that I agree with is that I am biased against sexual predators. Weird though. Paul Ryan and John McCain seem to agree with me.
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Treason? What treason? Is there an investigation open I haven't heard about? Are you implying that running a private email server is treason?
You clearly don't know anything about ATCs, ATOs, NIST standards, classification, federal statutes, accountability, conflict of interests, or use of a federal position for personal gain. That's just about the server, not even pay-to-play. Or Benghazi. Failure to prosecute does not even imply innocence; it implies favoritism. But feel free to keep pretending that you know something.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
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I did no such thing. The only thing you have said so far that I agree with is that I am biased against sexual predators. Weird though. Paul Ryan and John McCain seem to agree with me.
No, you are biased against Trump as (to repeat my initial comment) you assume he is guilty without having been convicted (even saying he is a sexual predator with no evidence at all) yet in the same breath you assume Clinton is innocent. Your desperate attempts to silence me with the growing implications that I must support sexual predators if I don't allow you to spout biased nonsense isn't going to work I'm afraid, I find your tactics quite laughable. Why don't you just be done with it and call me Hitler?
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No, you are biased against Trump as (to repeat my initial comment) you assume he is guilty without having been convicted (even saying he is a sexual predator with no evidence at all) yet in the same breath you assume Clinton is innocent. Your desperate attempts to silence me with the growing implications that I must support sexual predators if I don't allow you to spout biased nonsense isn't going to work I'm afraid, I find your tactics quite laughable. Why don't you just be done with it and call me Hitler?
I'm confused. Have you heard there are tapes out? The tapes were doctored? I find your "no evidence" line laughable. Have you heard there are now 4 women coming out? Have you heard that their stories were debunked by Trump *employees*? LOL Have you heard Trump debunked the stories as well? You know, by saying one of the women were too ugly to molest? And by remembering in vivid detail the day 30 yrs ago? I'm not calling you Hitler or anything else. I do suggest you read up on sociopath behavior though. Trump of course. Not you. Where did you get that I am trying to "silence you"?? You still have not explained why you don't have these same feelings about Trump though.
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jesarg wrote:
The odds of Trump committing a sex crime while in office are practically zero. He has no history of such things, and the current story is artifically manufactured and already discredited.
The Access Hollywood tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The Howard Stern tapes are manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making a sexual comment about an underage girl is manufactured? Ok... :doh: The tape of him making sexual comments about his daughter is manufactured? Ok... :doh: Sexual assault is a sex crime last time I checked. Did he do it? Well, along with the tapes, his attitude, his ego, etc. I'd believe it. Apparently the NYT did as well since they just issued a statement saying they stand by it and are not retracting.
jesarg wrote:
On the other hand, the odds of Clinton committing bribery, abuse of power, money laundering, and other misdeeds while in office are extremely high. She has a long history of such things, and numerous reasons to continue. Furthermore, these crimes would hurt ordinary Americans far more than any sex crime would.
She does? I wasn't aware she's been convicted or charged with any crime. I also wasn't aware there was any evidence of such things. No open investigations either. Thanks for bring me up to speed.
jesarg wrote:
However, most major media sources side with Clinton
I agree with this.
jesarg wrote:
how insane and surreal the stories end up being
You lost me again. Tapes. BTW, speaking of all the stuff you accuse Clinton of, where are Trumps tax records? Still being "audited" I guess? Why doesn't he let them release The Apprentice tapes? Or waive his NDAs? Oh yeah, that's right, since according to EVERYBODY who worked on the show, they are filled with n-bombs, sexist, racist, homophobic and anti-disability rants. More manufactured stuff I guess? :zzz:
jesarg wrote:
Outside these delusional narratives
Again. You lost me. Trump says he won both debates. Nobody agrees with him. Trump says he is leading in the polls. Only Rasmussen agrees with him. Every other polling company says Clinton is up 5 to 10 points. They must be in bed with her. Trump says the election is rigged. The media is definitely biased against him. That's no
Talking crudely is generally not illegal. Committing physical actions generally is. If guilty of physical actions, Trump would have been investigated / charged ages ago, especially considering the new alleged actions occurred in public with numerous witnesses. A simple analysis of the allegations shows them to be baseless. Many items the FBI publicly revealed about Clinton's activities are unambiguously crimes; the abnormal part is the lack of charges filed as a result. Furthermore, many known activities of the Clintons (such as their Haiti donation scandal) never received proper investigations for political reasons. The other items you mentioned are largely irrelevant (and partially inaccurate). The media uses them to distract from real Clinton scandals (orders of magnitude more heinous than both real and manufactured accusations against Trump). We should discern which issues are most important to discuss (independent of what corrupt media sources push in our face). As a side note, the DNC is full of racist / sexist / homophobic / crude talk. It's just never reported on, thanks to a cozy connection with the media. If you like condemning that sort of language, you can start with condemning the hypocritical Democratic politicians with their fake tear shedding over political incorrectness (AND the media for selectively ignoring their faults).
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Talking crudely is generally not illegal. Committing physical actions generally is. If guilty of physical actions, Trump would have been investigated / charged ages ago, especially considering the new alleged actions occurred in public with numerous witnesses. A simple analysis of the allegations shows them to be baseless. Many items the FBI publicly revealed about Clinton's activities are unambiguously crimes; the abnormal part is the lack of charges filed as a result. Furthermore, many known activities of the Clintons (such as their Haiti donation scandal) never received proper investigations for political reasons. The other items you mentioned are largely irrelevant (and partially inaccurate). The media uses them to distract from real Clinton scandals (orders of magnitude more heinous than both real and manufactured accusations against Trump). We should discern which issues are most important to discuss (independent of what corrupt media sources push in our face). As a side note, the DNC is full of racist / sexist / homophobic / crude talk. It's just never reported on, thanks to a cozy connection with the media. If you like condemning that sort of language, you can start with condemning the hypocritical Democratic politicians with their fake tear shedding over political incorrectness (AND the media for selectively ignoring their faults).
I'm not a woman, so I can't comment on how they think / feel, but its pretty well established that they often take years / decades to come forward on celebs / powerful people. So the fact that nobody reported it back then is irrelevant. Does it 100% prove he's guilty? Ok, well, no. Do you believe that Sandusky is a child molester? All of them took years to come forward. Note, that were are now up to accuser #5. That's not irrelevant. Also, much like everything else Trump has claimed in the past, his latest claim also appears to be B.S. He claimed he sent a PI to Hawaii and would prove O was not born in the US and that he would soon reveal 100% proof. He of course never did. And it was even debunked that he did ANYTHING. He even later claimed he didn't start the birther movement. Now his latest claim was that he had 100% proof he didn't molest these women and both he and Pence said they would reveal it shortly. "In a few hours". Much like his tax records, nothing but vaporware (so far). Where's the proof he claims he has? He's also said he is going to sue NYT and People. Much like all his other claims, nothing but talk. Writers said specifically interviewed him earlier in the week. Ok... so why did the story get out? Not sure how much you know about law, but you can get an emergency injunction in a few hours. Trump had days to do so. Why didn't he get one? With all his lawyers. More of his empty threats like how he is going to jail Clinton when he wins which is unconstitutional by the way.