Apple's Touch Bar
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Apple are demo'ing the new Macbook Pro with the Touch Bar. Lots of demos of touching the OLED bar to control functionality in applications. The current one is a DJ doing his thing. Except it seems blindingly obvious that everything he's doing would be way easier and more fun if the entire bloody screen was touch. I get that uses can push down on the bar harder than you can on a screen, but...surely...
cheers Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Except it seems blindingly obvious that everything he's doing would be way easier and more fun if the entire bloody screen was touch.
Nah. Gorilla arm.
Mad props for understanding and pseudo using one of the better emojis out there. :thumbsup:
Jeremy Falcon
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I never felt comfortable using a touch display on a laptop (or regular screen). Do people really use the touch screen on a laptop if available ? is it fatiguing ?
I'd rather be phishing!
This lappy I'm using right now has a touch screen. I never touch it, because: 0. It's further away than the keyboard and mouse. Why stretch? 1. Touch is less accurate, and requires more hand movement that using a mouse (I have to move the mouse 1" to move the cursor all the way across the screen; I would have to move my hand all the way across the screen). 2. I shout at people who make greasy finger-marks on my screen, and I don't want me to shout at me, because I'm too scary. Touch screens are great for phones and tablets, but the only people who want touch-screen computers appear to be microsoft "innovators" -- even most graphic artists don't want them; it's too easy to mess up your work, with a touch screen, and it's too much hand movement.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This lappy I'm using right now has a touch screen. I never touch it, because: 0. It's further away than the keyboard and mouse. Why stretch? 1. Touch is less accurate, and requires more hand movement that using a mouse (I have to move the mouse 1" to move the cursor all the way across the screen; I would have to move my hand all the way across the screen). 2. I shout at people who make greasy finger-marks on my screen, and I don't want me to shout at me, because I'm too scary. Touch screens are great for phones and tablets, but the only people who want touch-screen computers appear to be microsoft "innovators" -- even most graphic artists don't want them; it's too easy to mess up your work, with a touch screen, and it's too much hand movement.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This lappy I'm using right now has a touch screen. I never touch it, because: 0. It's further away than the keyboard and mouse. Why stretch? 1. Touch is less accurate, and requires more hand movement that using a mouse (I have to move the mouse 1" to move the cursor all the way across the screen; I would have to move my hand all the way across the screen). 2. I shout at people who make greasy finger-marks on my screen, and I don't want me to shout at me, because I'm too scary. Touch screens are great for phones and tablets, but the only people who want touch-screen computers appear to be microsoft "innovators" -- even most graphic artists don't want them; it's too easy to mess up your work, with a touch screen, and it's too much hand movement.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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This lappy I'm using right now has a touch screen. I never touch it, because: 0. It's further away than the keyboard and mouse. Why stretch? 1. Touch is less accurate, and requires more hand movement that using a mouse (I have to move the mouse 1" to move the cursor all the way across the screen; I would have to move my hand all the way across the screen). 2. I shout at people who make greasy finger-marks on my screen, and I don't want me to shout at me, because I'm too scary. Touch screens are great for phones and tablets, but the only people who want touch-screen computers appear to be microsoft "innovators" -- even most graphic artists don't want them; it's too easy to mess up your work, with a touch screen, and it's too much hand movement.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I approve your message! All the reasons why I don't want to have a touch screen, except on a phone or tablet, have been mentioned by you!
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Apple are demo'ing the new Macbook Pro with the Touch Bar. Lots of demos of touching the OLED bar to control functionality in applications. The current one is a DJ doing his thing. Except it seems blindingly obvious that everything he's doing would be way easier and more fun if the entire bloody screen was touch. I get that uses can push down on the bar harder than you can on a screen, but...surely...
cheers Chris Maunder
Doesn't really seem like a game changer, it feels like Apple are running out of ideas and they're just 'tinkering'. I guess there really is only so much you can do. I thought that Surface dial was pretty cool though, not that I'd personally see a use for it.
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Apple are demo'ing the new Macbook Pro with the Touch Bar. Lots of demos of touching the OLED bar to control functionality in applications. The current one is a DJ doing his thing. Except it seems blindingly obvious that everything he's doing would be way easier and more fun if the entire bloody screen was touch. I get that uses can push down on the bar harder than you can on a screen, but...surely...
cheers Chris Maunder
20 minutes after using first touch phone my finger started to hurt. Why - because touch (EVEN with haptic feedback- or vibration for the norms) still has the finger push against a none flexible surface. Which with thousands of touches a day will damage the nerves inside the fingers and up through the hand and arm. touch screens great for some situations, but what should be developed and released more is gooey keys with application variable dynamics, like this, from 3 years ago! [keyboard rises up from flat touch screens back in 2013]
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Doesn't really seem like a game changer, it feels like Apple are running out of ideas and they're just 'tinkering'. I guess there really is only so much you can do. I thought that Surface dial was pretty cool though, not that I'd personally see a use for it.
Wastedtalent wrote:
I thought that Surface dial was pretty cool though, not that I'd personally see a use for it.
I think its main purpose would end up as hiding the scratches it made on the screen last week. As for functionality, it's pretty unusable, because (the way it was used in the ad) your sleeve and elbow would be redrawing most of your work while you twiddled with it. You'd have to keep it right at the bottom of the screen, and then be really careful that your fingers don't brush the screen while you're twiddling. Essentially, it's a pig in a poke that cost several million that could have been spent fixing the 850,000 bugs in windows and msoffice. That'd be the press announcement to end all press announcements, wouldn't it? We've fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. (etc.) They'd be hailed as conquering heroes -- trustworthy conquering heroes. I think few trust them, right now.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I never felt comfortable using a touch display on a laptop (or regular screen). Do people really use the touch screen on a laptop if available ? is it fatiguing ?
I'd rather be phishing!
I don't use it, but my sister does (She is younger than me, maybe we are just addictedused to keyboard and mouse :) )
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Apple are demo'ing the new Macbook Pro with the Touch Bar. Lots of demos of touching the OLED bar to control functionality in applications. The current one is a DJ doing his thing. Except it seems blindingly obvious that everything he's doing would be way easier and more fun if the entire bloody screen was touch. I get that uses can push down on the bar harder than you can on a screen, but...surely...
cheers Chris Maunder
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Wastedtalent wrote:
I thought that Surface dial was pretty cool though, not that I'd personally see a use for it.
I think its main purpose would end up as hiding the scratches it made on the screen last week. As for functionality, it's pretty unusable, because (the way it was used in the ad) your sleeve and elbow would be redrawing most of your work while you twiddled with it. You'd have to keep it right at the bottom of the screen, and then be really careful that your fingers don't brush the screen while you're twiddling. Essentially, it's a pig in a poke that cost several million that could have been spent fixing the 850,000 bugs in windows and msoffice. That'd be the press announcement to end all press announcements, wouldn't it? We've fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. We've also fixed this bug. (etc.) They'd be hailed as conquering heroes -- trustworthy conquering heroes. I think few trust them, right now.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Erm... never heard of "palm rejection"? It's been around for a while on a lot of touch screen devices.
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Erm... never heard of "palm rejection"? It's been around for a while on a lot of touch screen devices.
Fingertips dragging around the edges of an unnecessary-to-the-point-of-pointlessness colour-picker/screen-rotator hardly count as palms. Nor do elbows. At least when apple makes fancy, overpriced tools they're useful.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Except it seems blindingly obvious that everything he's doing would be way easier and more fun if the entire bloody screen was touch.
Except people would complain about that too. Personally, I think it's awesome and a good segway into making things more touch screen down the road. Now if I could just convince Outlook to save .jpg extensions on a Mac, life would be great.
Jeremy Falcon
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Fingertips dragging around the edges of an unnecessary-to-the-point-of-pointlessness colour-picker/screen-rotator hardly count as palms. Nor do elbows. At least when apple makes fancy, overpriced tools they're useful.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Oh, you're one of the people who hate Microsoft... my mistake. 1. Tools like the Surface Dial have been around for a long time. This just adds some additional features to it. Some of which may very well be extremely useful although, obviously not for you. 2. If you are clumsy enough that you can't use it without having your fingers touching the screen you probably aren't a great artist. 3. Elbows are rejected just the same as palms. Especially when you are using the pen. 4. $100 is not unreasonable for the thing... overpriced is your opinion.
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Oh, you're one of the people who hate Microsoft... my mistake. 1. Tools like the Surface Dial have been around for a long time. This just adds some additional features to it. Some of which may very well be extremely useful although, obviously not for you. 2. If you are clumsy enough that you can't use it without having your fingers touching the screen you probably aren't a great artist. 3. Elbows are rejected just the same as palms. Especially when you are using the pen. 4. $100 is not unreasonable for the thing... overpriced is your opinion.
I_made_a_womble wrote:
Oh, you're one of the people who hate Microsoft... my mistake.
A mistake has certainly been made. I've been an ms booster for over 30 years, arguing their corner against Unix, apple, linux, and even netscape fanbois, only to find that they cannot be trusted to do anything useful, any more. If you truly believe that that screen-scratching gadget is useful, go ahead and buy one, so that you can spend all your time changing the colours on your full-screen graphics -- after all, that's the only thing that the people who gave ms their billions do all day, isn't it? But buy one quickly, because you probably won't even be able to find them in bargain bins, soon.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I_made_a_womble wrote:
Oh, you're one of the people who hate Microsoft... my mistake.
A mistake has certainly been made. I've been an ms booster for over 30 years, arguing their corner against Unix, apple, linux, and even netscape fanbois, only to find that they cannot be trusted to do anything useful, any more. If you truly believe that that screen-scratching gadget is useful, go ahead and buy one, so that you can spend all your time changing the colours on your full-screen graphics -- after all, that's the only thing that the people who gave ms their billions do all day, isn't it? But buy one quickly, because you probably won't even be able to find them in bargain bins, soon.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
It has a soft pad on the bottom why would it scratch the screen? And by the way, I'm on Code Project... my art is code. I probably wouldn't need a surface dial, but I know a lot of folk who will love it.
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Snazzy, the link is missing a "g", but she is a pretty one. Did know that, but then again I'm from the south and we take pride in not knowing fancy words.
Jeremy Falcon
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Snazzy, the link is missing a "g", but she is a pretty one. Did know that, but then again I'm from the south and we take pride in not knowing fancy words.
Jeremy Falcon
I think CP is out to sabotage my postings. That's the second time the auto-linky thing has dropped a letter from the end. And I'm from Pompey, which is pretty far south
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It has a soft pad on the bottom why would it scratch the screen? And by the way, I'm on Code Project... my art is code. I probably wouldn't need a surface dial, but I know a lot of folk who will love it.
It has to be put down "off-screen", to pick up grit, muck, spilled coffee/paint/whatever. You shouldn't touch your screen with anything other than soft, lint-free cleaning cloths.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
