Trump Wins: Lets Roll up our sleeves, because All Improvements start with us!
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I was a Trumper from day 1. I am a white male who grew up on the free lunch program just outside of detroit, where I was born. I graduated in 1992 after 7 years of college, where I had to work full-time to put myself through school (with some financial AID, tons of loans, and pell grants too). My daughters Hattian (for context) friend of many years exclaimed that if it were not for my WHITE PRIVILEGE, I would not have done so well. I worked 3 jobs for most of my adult life, and started my own business, on the side, over 10 years, while working full-time elsewhere. I am DEEPLY offended by these comments, and she throws them out like it is somehow true. There are HAVES and HAVE NOTS in this country to be sure. Those who HAVE WORKED harder than their peers Those who HAVE EDUCATED themselves Those who HAVE EARNED their income and those who HAVE NOT... But I don't hate this young lady. I think of her as a daughter, in fact. A misguided one to be sure. She never suffered slavery here, because she is a first generation American. I say ALL of this to set the following stage... Enough Divisive Language. I want EVERYONE in America to do well. Honestly! I want EVERYONE who is willing to work, to have that opportunity. I am not against immigrants, I am against Free Loaders, and Illegal Immigration. I am against lawlessness. We have the best police in the world. Honestly. Get pulled over in Mexico and have them put you in the back of a police car. Your odds of disappearing are now REAL! I am against a media that constantly allows people to MISSTATE the truth, and fails to help set the record straight. (Trump NEVER Intended that ALL MEXICANS are rapists, etc. He was speaking about Illegals that were coming here, and the people the Mexican Government was glad to see go. But the media glosses over this, and allows a false narrative to live to attack and divide us). Trump is INELEGANT, IMPREFECT and quite Human. So, while I want to scream "we saved our country from some horrible ideas"... I also want to say: Now is the time we must ALL roll up our sleeves and help. We as consumers must CALL OUT the media for being divisive We must call out others for being divisive We must EXPECT that laws should either be changed or enforced, but never ignored! We must come together... Because We The People are all this republic has. I love All Americans. Even the ones with differing political views. I hate only horrible people. Lets treat our government as OLD CODE that need
The poor always blame the rich for their problems.
Jeremy Falcon
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I was a Trumper from day 1. I am a white male who grew up on the free lunch program just outside of detroit, where I was born. I graduated in 1992 after 7 years of college, where I had to work full-time to put myself through school (with some financial AID, tons of loans, and pell grants too). My daughters Hattian (for context) friend of many years exclaimed that if it were not for my WHITE PRIVILEGE, I would not have done so well. I worked 3 jobs for most of my adult life, and started my own business, on the side, over 10 years, while working full-time elsewhere. I am DEEPLY offended by these comments, and she throws them out like it is somehow true. There are HAVES and HAVE NOTS in this country to be sure. Those who HAVE WORKED harder than their peers Those who HAVE EDUCATED themselves Those who HAVE EARNED their income and those who HAVE NOT... But I don't hate this young lady. I think of her as a daughter, in fact. A misguided one to be sure. She never suffered slavery here, because she is a first generation American. I say ALL of this to set the following stage... Enough Divisive Language. I want EVERYONE in America to do well. Honestly! I want EVERYONE who is willing to work, to have that opportunity. I am not against immigrants, I am against Free Loaders, and Illegal Immigration. I am against lawlessness. We have the best police in the world. Honestly. Get pulled over in Mexico and have them put you in the back of a police car. Your odds of disappearing are now REAL! I am against a media that constantly allows people to MISSTATE the truth, and fails to help set the record straight. (Trump NEVER Intended that ALL MEXICANS are rapists, etc. He was speaking about Illegals that were coming here, and the people the Mexican Government was glad to see go. But the media glosses over this, and allows a false narrative to live to attack and divide us). Trump is INELEGANT, IMPREFECT and quite Human. So, while I want to scream "we saved our country from some horrible ideas"... I also want to say: Now is the time we must ALL roll up our sleeves and help. We as consumers must CALL OUT the media for being divisive We must call out others for being divisive We must EXPECT that laws should either be changed or enforced, but never ignored! We must come together... Because We The People are all this republic has. I love All Americans. Even the ones with differing political views. I hate only horrible people. Lets treat our government as OLD CODE that need
And God Bless America! :jig: :jig: :jig: :jig: :jig:
Jeremy Falcon
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Did you reply to my message. Which part? To you, this is ISIS speak: << Encourage people to start a business. A hair cutting place, a handy man service. Maybe lowes moves in, and starts training inner city people to lay tile, and do repairs. Maybe thousands of unemployed people in a city get together, and start honing their skills fixing the homes in their neighborhood for next to nothing. (By the way, I programmed for FREE to get experience, then got paid A LOT once I had the experience). It beats being angry. >> But when the LEFT in this country says that speaking against global warming should be a felony. That is NOT like ISIS? I see the two as opposites. I am saying don't be angry, be productive. That is ISIS? Or are you saying it is Rhetoric, and a "PUBLIC" position while my "PRIVATE" position is different? I don't care if people complain. I sure do. The squeeky wheel and all. I just REALLY hate ISIS and stamping on peoples freedoms, so I take a little offense to the unquoted statement that I could be making speeches for the likes of ISIS. Either intential or out of ignorance. Not sure what I said that implied my way was the only way. Was suggesting we come together.
Kirk 10389821 wrote:
To you, this is ISIS speak: << Live your life the way I say you should!
Indeed it is.
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Kirk 10389821 wrote:
To you, this is ISIS speak: << Live your life the way I say you should!
Indeed it is.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Yeah, I see... I was giving an EXAMPLE or set of examples... That was NOT intended to be LITERALLY the list of things. let me summarize differently my intention: Wherever you are at in life, choose what you want to do, and do it. Preferably within in the law, and hopefully with a positive impact on where you live. Is that "Less ISIS" dictation of living according to my values? And if not. PLEASE give me an example of a way to reach those who are far less fortunate TODAY. What message do you send? How do you word it? And please. Try not to let YOUR values influence the message.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Live and let live, for f***'s sake. If your way is the only way, it's the wrong way.
Irony. The ISIS comparison is not called for. I strongly suspect that their speeches have just a touch more "we haven't hit our beheading quota for the week" or "you guys have been really enthusiastic about stoning educated women, gays, and Christians since we started child-bride Wednesdays, keep it up!"
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli
They ardently believe in their way of life, the same as anyone who is even mildly fanatical. Fanaticism of any kind is a bad thing, because one of its main effects is to give people the errant belief that they are better than people who don't share their beliefs -- and saying "Our fanatics are better than Your fanatics!" is just plain dumb. I have yet to see a belief system that convinces me that it is what we were put on this Earth for -- and capitalism comes Incredibly low on the score chart. People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money? I don't think so.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yeah, I see... I was giving an EXAMPLE or set of examples... That was NOT intended to be LITERALLY the list of things. let me summarize differently my intention: Wherever you are at in life, choose what you want to do, and do it. Preferably within in the law, and hopefully with a positive impact on where you live. Is that "Less ISIS" dictation of living according to my values? And if not. PLEASE give me an example of a way to reach those who are far less fortunate TODAY. What message do you send? How do you word it? And please. Try not to let YOUR values influence the message.
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LOL. Human is the ONLY thing I get right :-) Thank You!
Kirk 10389821 wrote:
Human is the ONLY thing I get right
Well, at least one of us does. I'm still working on it.
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Unfortunately, that's exactly the kind of speech that ISIS leaders make to their people. USA : ISIS -- peas in a pod. Live and let live, for f***'s sake. If your way is the only way, it's the wrong way. Oh, and don't take it personally when people bitch about things. That's what people do.
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Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language, and both are trying to "reclaim" honor by removing that of their opponents. But they have very different views about honor and (fortunately) use different means of reclaiming that honor.
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They ardently believe in their way of life, the same as anyone who is even mildly fanatical. Fanaticism of any kind is a bad thing, because one of its main effects is to give people the errant belief that they are better than people who don't share their beliefs -- and saying "Our fanatics are better than Your fanatics!" is just plain dumb. I have yet to see a belief system that convinces me that it is what we were put on this Earth for -- and capitalism comes Incredibly low on the score chart. People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money? I don't think so.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yeah, I see... I was giving an EXAMPLE or set of examples... That was NOT intended to be LITERALLY the list of things. let me summarize differently my intention: Wherever you are at in life, choose what you want to do, and do it. Preferably within in the law, and hopefully with a positive impact on where you live. Is that "Less ISIS" dictation of living according to my values? And if not. PLEASE give me an example of a way to reach those who are far less fortunate TODAY. What message do you send? How do you word it? And please. Try not to let YOUR values influence the message.
We need to define a lot of terms, here.
Kirk 10389821 wrote:
Preferably within in the law
Which? Sharia law? It comprises laws made by people for people to follow. Some of it's dumb, some of it's cruel, some of it's unenforceable, some of it's abused, and some of it's singularly good. Show me the laws of any country that you can't say exactly the same things about. Whose laws are right? Buggered if I know.
Kirk 10389821 wrote:
less fortunate
By "less fortunate", do you mean broke? That's not my definition. I've been broke, but it never stopped me from being happy with my family and friends, which is where the bulk of happiness lies. Contrarily, I'm loaded, and I miss those days when I could feel truly happy, unencumbered with responsibilities and things that take up all my time. But now I'm "fortunate". Then, I was just fortunate. Not everyone wants to dedicate their entire life to increasing their mortal wealth, which, in the end, gives them less than a smile from a child. Sure, several people (but certainly not everyone) could become stinking rich, by dedicating their lives to doing only that, but one person climbing to the top has to do so by pushing countless others down (ask Trump), so for every one who goes up, a lot are kicked back to the bottom of the heap. And, of course, the climb is made ever harder, if more are people trying to ascend the same, small slope, so the bottom of the slope rises, and the divide between those who are wealthy and those who are not gets ever wider, and harder to breach. History and common sense can't be trumped by monopolar beliefs, no matter how enthusiastic they are.
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Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language, and both are trying to "reclaim" honor by removing that of their opponents. But they have very different views about honor and (fortunately) use different means of reclaiming that honor.
Kaladin wrote:
they .... use different means of reclaiming that honor
True. ISIS uses sharpened steel to remove people they don't want. Trump uses only a finger.
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The poor always blame the rich for their problems.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Life's funny, that way. Actually, it's not funny; it's just human. Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems". So, because I don't wish to appear to be too inhuman, I'm laying the blame for all my problems at your feet!
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And God Bless America! :jig: :jig: :jig: :jig: :jig:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
God Bless America!
um, church + state is unconstitutional.
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Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language, and both are trying to "reclaim" honor by removing that of their opponents. But they have very different views about honor and (fortunately) use different means of reclaiming that honor.
Kaladin wrote:
Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language
You're giving Liberals a free pass on this same behavior? Do the phrases "misogynistic", "xenophobic", "homophobic", "basket full of deplorables", "...want old people to eat cat food so they can buy their medicines", "...throw old people off the cliff" ring any bells? Oh no, that's not shaming or ad hominem at all. :doh:
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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Kaladin wrote:
Trump/Trump followers and ISIS share similarities in that they both use honor/shame language
You're giving Liberals a free pass on this same behavior? Do the phrases "misogynistic", "xenophobic", "homophobic", "basket full of deplorables", "...want old people to eat cat food so they can buy their medicines", "...throw old people off the cliff" ring any bells? Oh no, that's not shaming or ad hominem at all. :doh:
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
People made a lot of money out of planning what the principles should say, and when it should be said. Don't blame the monkeys for dancing to the organ-grinders' tunes.
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
People exist to dedicate their lives to the pursuit of money?
That is not what capitalism is. :doh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
How would you know what capitalism is? You claim to be a Christian, so it's against your religion.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
God Bless America!
um, church + state is unconstitutional.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
I'm not in the mood to argue. Maybe you are, but I find that life is more enjoyable when you don't always argue with people who find too much joy in arguing and no joy in nothing else. Further more, everyone knows the church plus state thing has more to do with forced practices. Nobody is forcing you to say that. We also have freedom of speech. Which means I can say it. And furthermore, anyone who is any way in any form educated in more modern studies regarding spirituality know that God can mean different things to different people, which means even the non-religious (traditionally speaking) can use it. My point is, dude... don't always argue.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The poor rich always blame the rich poor for their problems.
Life's funny, that way. Actually, it's not funny; it's just human. Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems". So, because I don't wish to appear to be too inhuman, I'm laying the blame for all my problems at your feet!
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems".
Well sure, 'tis human nature. What I find sad is that people don't realize it. Then again, the reason I'm not married is because women are crazy (joking).
Jeremy Falcon
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Let's go with "Everyone blames someone else for their problems".
Well sure, 'tis human nature. What I find sad is that people don't realize it. Then again, the reason I'm not married is because women are crazy (joking).
Jeremy Falcon
Now That I can get behind! What is the cause of 99% of mens' problems? The answer is only slightly bleeding obvious!
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