What do you think would be Trump victory impact on H1B and other non-immigrant (NIV) visa labor?
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Slacker007 wrote:
In summary, we don't have enough qualified software engineers/developers in this country,
I disagree. Why do you think this is true?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Because, we don't Ryan. Certain areas in the Unites States do not have enough qualified citizens to work the tech sector, so they hire out for this. You don't honestly believe that we can get rid of every single H1B visa holder, and still be able to operate as normal? Forbes link on the subject[^] Edit: I think we need to drive home the education for this, like other countries are doing, and to make this a high-priority, in doing so, we will increase our talent pool, driving down the need for H1B visas, etc.
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If he has sense, not much. Onshoring skills and taking tax money is better than offshoring them. Of course illegal immigrants involved in crime, thats a different matter.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
illegal immigrants involved in crime
That should be blocked anyway.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
illegal immigrants involved in crime
That should be blocked anyway.
Indeed, and thats what Trump is doing.
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His vision on this subject matter will only work if lazy Americans, miraculously, become tech savvy overnight. We just do not have the IT base here in this country to fill all the job slots, as much as I hate to admit it. In summary, we don't have enough qualified software engineers/developers in this country, and that are U.S. citizens, so thus, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc. go overseas, especially to India, etc. for the talent pool. So, I don't think NIVs are going away soon, but that is my opinion.
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Because, we don't Ryan. Certain areas in the Unites States do not have enough qualified citizens to work the tech sector, so they hire out for this. You don't honestly believe that we can get rid of every single H1B visa holder, and still be able to operate as normal? Forbes link on the subject[^] Edit: I think we need to drive home the education for this, like other countries are doing, and to make this a high-priority, in doing so, we will increase our talent pool, driving down the need for H1B visas, etc.
Slacker007 wrote:
so they hire out for this.
Lower cost is the reason I've seen companies do that. In fact, HP did that years ago and then had to come back to the US when the Indian talent wasn't not at a sufficient level of ability.
Slacker007 wrote:
You don't honestly believe that we can get rid of every single H1B visa holder, and still be able to operate as normal?
That's hardly what I said. I know of qualified IT people who struggle to find jobs so when I hear people say we don't have enough people in this country I immediately call BS. And yes, I do realize that my experiences do not necessarily mirror every location in the country. All I can comment on is what I witness.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Slacker007 wrote:
so they hire out for this.
Lower cost is the reason I've seen companies do that. In fact, HP did that years ago and then had to come back to the US when the Indian talent wasn't not at a sufficient level of ability.
Slacker007 wrote:
You don't honestly believe that we can get rid of every single H1B visa holder, and still be able to operate as normal?
That's hardly what I said. I know of qualified IT people who struggle to find jobs so when I hear people say we don't have enough people in this country I immediately call BS. And yes, I do realize that my experiences do not necessarily mirror every location in the country. All I can comment on is what I witness.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Much better to on shore the skills and take their tax money. The US needs to build new towns and cities in remote areas, spread the population out a lot, its too concentrated. The US could take twice the population this way, and it would be mostly asians. If you want 5% a year growth, a quick way to do that is allow immigration of skilled labour. Its a no brainer, especially in a country as vast as yours.
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Slacker007 wrote:
so they hire out for this.
Lower cost is the reason I've seen companies do that. In fact, HP did that years ago and then had to come back to the US when the Indian talent wasn't not at a sufficient level of ability.
Slacker007 wrote:
You don't honestly believe that we can get rid of every single H1B visa holder, and still be able to operate as normal?
That's hardly what I said. I know of qualified IT people who struggle to find jobs so when I hear people say we don't have enough people in this country I immediately call BS. And yes, I do realize that my experiences do not necessarily mirror every location in the country. All I can comment on is what I witness.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Lower costs is a reason, and I agree with this, and I have seen this as well when I worked over at Goldman Sachs, but it is not the only reason. Believe me when I tell you that I am all for bringing the jobs back to the Unites States and keeping the talent pool here, but I don't think we have enough to cover the entire market....yet.
RyanDev wrote:
I know of qualified IT people who struggle to find jobs
I have been in this business almost twenty years, and I have not known one software engineer that can't find a job....not one. So, I don't have the life experience that you do on this.
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Lower costs is a reason, and I agree with this, and I have seen this as well when I worked over at Goldman Sachs, but it is not the only reason. Believe me when I tell you that I am all for bringing the jobs back to the Unites States and keeping the talent pool here, but I don't think we have enough to cover the entire market....yet.
RyanDev wrote:
I know of qualified IT people who struggle to find jobs
I have been in this business almost twenty years, and I have not known one software engineer that can't find a job....not one. So, I don't have the life experience that you do on this.
Slacker007 wrote:
I have not known one software engineer that can't find a job
I have a known a few but your first statement was about "the tech sector" which is what I was responding to. I agree that Software Engineers have an easier time finding jobs. They'll always be needed.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Slacker007 wrote:
so they hire out for this.
Lower cost is the reason I've seen companies do that. In fact, HP did that years ago and then had to come back to the US when the Indian talent wasn't not at a sufficient level of ability.
Slacker007 wrote:
You don't honestly believe that we can get rid of every single H1B visa holder, and still be able to operate as normal?
That's hardly what I said. I know of qualified IT people who struggle to find jobs so when I hear people say we don't have enough people in this country I immediately call BS. And yes, I do realize that my experiences do not necessarily mirror every location in the country. All I can comment on is what I witness.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
I know of qualified IT people who struggle to find jobs
That might have a lot to do with geography. Open IT jobs might be sparse or require years of experience in the centers of tech like San Fransisco or Seattle but there are parts of the country, like around where I live, where there are more IT jobs then they can fill because nobody wants to relocate or take a pay cut (which is actually a raise when you factor in cost of living).
RyanDev wrote:
Lower cost is the reason I've seen companies do that. In fact, HP did that years ago and then had to come back to the US when the Indian talent wasn't not at a sufficient level of ability.
I've seen them do this too. I get a good hardy laugh every time I think about it because they had to pay out the nose to get the original talent back but cannot dump the outsourcing due to contracts. Oops ;P
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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His vision on this subject matter will only work if lazy Americans, miraculously, become tech savvy overnight. We just do not have the IT base here in this country to fill all the job slots, as much as I hate to admit it. In summary, we don't have enough qualified software engineers/developers in this country, and that are U.S. citizens, so thus, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc. go overseas, especially to India, etc. for the talent pool. So, I don't think NIVs are going away soon, but that is my opinion.
I'm 300% sure he won't do anything like that. This man knows value of money, and he understands that US economy will be depressed if he ousts all migrants. Just imagine that 70% (!!111) of American IT services goes from Ukraine (here is the proof [^] ) and one day they ban it. Economy will react immediately. So, no panic on the Titanic) Companies will keep outsourcing from China/India/Ukraine because it's cheap. They save money on labour but they invest money in something else within the USA.
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His vision on this subject matter will only work if lazy Americans, miraculously, become tech savvy overnight. We just do not have the IT base here in this country to fill all the job slots, as much as I hate to admit it. In summary, we don't have enough qualified software engineers/developers in this country, and that are U.S. citizens, so thus, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, etc. go overseas, especially to India, etc. for the talent pool. So, I don't think NIVs are going away soon, but that is my opinion.
I'm 300% sure he won't do anything like that. This man knows value of money, and he understands that US economy will be depressed if he ousts all migrants. Just imagine that 70% (!!111) of American IT services goes from Ukraine (here is the proof [^] ) and one day they ban it. Economy will react immediately. So, no panic on the Titanic) Companies will keep outsourcing from China/India/Ukraine because it's cheap. They save money on labour but they invest money in something else within the USA.
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I'm 300% sure he won't do anything like that. This man knows value of money, and he understands that US economy will be depressed if he ousts all migrants. Just imagine that 70% (!!111) of American IT services goes from Ukraine (here is the proof [^] ) and one day they ban it. Economy will react immediately. So, no panic on the Titanic) Companies will keep outsourcing from China/India/Ukraine because it's cheap. They save money on labour but they invest money in something else within the USA.
completely agree, Ukraine stays one of the most popular outsourcing directions. No wonder, the quality and rates are very attractable. Moreover, outsourcing is not the most beneficial model anymore as we already provide outstaffing services. Here's an [article](https://mobilunity.com/blog/offshore-development-model) to explain what I mean.