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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

    OriginalGriff wrote:

    ass

    When did Wales join the USA? Was this one of the effects of Brexit that the BBC hasn't covered? :rolleyes: Google translate can't seem to find the proper Welsh word - does dinau work? Otherwise, stick to a proper English "arse". :)


    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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    Forogar
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    OG was just proving that he is (at least) biligual, he can speak both English and American!

    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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      WSDL, SOAP, XML, reports... Metaphorically, where as McCoy when he told Kirk he belongs in the Captain's chair of a starship exploring the galaxy, not sitting behind some desk pushing paper in a cubicle under florescent lights with no window in sight. What amazes me is that software that runs an insurance business can have bugs. I mean, it's all pushing numbers around, some conditional logic, and some math. :~ Marc

      V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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      Kyle Moyer
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      I work the other side of the insurance game; I write software that helps people manage billables and file insurance claims. So frankly, I don't know how insurance software could ever have bugs, since from my experience, it's all basically this:

      if (Claim.ChargeAmount > 0)
      {
      Claim.Status = ClaimStatus.Denied;
      }
      else
      {
      Claim.PaidAmount = 0;
      }

      ;P

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        You should get into porn. Problem solved.

        Jeremy Falcon

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        Marc Clifton
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        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        You should get into porn.

        Quite so.[^] All that got installed at a club in Tijuana. Marc

        V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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        • M Marc Clifton

          Jeremy Falcon wrote:

          You should get into porn.

          Quite so.[^] All that got installed at a club in Tijuana. Marc

          V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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          Jeremy Falcon
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          Not sure if I should click that link while being at work, but the URL slug is quite fitting. :laugh:

          Jeremy Falcon

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          • M Marc Clifton

            Jeremy Falcon wrote:

            You should get into porn.

            Quite so.[^] All that got installed at a club in Tijuana. Marc

            V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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            CPallini
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            WOW!

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            • M Marc Clifton

              WSDL, SOAP, XML, reports... Metaphorically, where as McCoy when he told Kirk he belongs in the Captain's chair of a starship exploring the galaxy, not sitting behind some desk pushing paper in a cubicle under florescent lights with no window in sight. What amazes me is that software that runs an insurance business can have bugs. I mean, it's all pushing numbers around, some conditional logic, and some math. :~ Marc

              V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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              Mark_Wallace
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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              and some math

              So you can just forget most developers being able to do it.

              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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              • M Marc Clifton

                WSDL, SOAP, XML, reports... Metaphorically, where as McCoy when he told Kirk he belongs in the Captain's chair of a starship exploring the galaxy, not sitting behind some desk pushing paper in a cubicle under florescent lights with no window in sight. What amazes me is that software that runs an insurance business can have bugs. I mean, it's all pushing numbers around, some conditional logic, and some math. :~ Marc

                V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                Mycroft Holmes
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                Back in the very late 90's I put in a stint at an insurance company, I was astonished just how much of their business was dependent on spreadsheets. I had to quit as I refused to write any more excel macros. Five years later the company went tits up as they had no control of their products and systems, it was a huge scandal in Oz.

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  Not sure if I should click that link while being at work, but the URL slug is quite fitting. :laugh:

                  Jeremy Falcon

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                  Marc Clifton
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                  Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                  but the URL slug is quite fitting.

                  :laugh: It's quite WS. One of the more recent posts, ironically about Agile, may raise some eyebrows though! Marc

                  V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                  • K Kyle Moyer

                    I work the other side of the insurance game; I write software that helps people manage billables and file insurance claims. So frankly, I don't know how insurance software could ever have bugs, since from my experience, it's all basically this:

                    if (Claim.ChargeAmount > 0)
                    {
                    Claim.Status = ClaimStatus.Denied;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                    Claim.PaidAmount = 0;
                    }

                    ;P

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Oh, poop, now you've reminded me of having to write code to generate bills in EDI format... :sigh: back to therapy...

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      WSDL, SOAP, XML, reports... Metaphorically, where as McCoy when he told Kirk he belongs in the Captain's chair of a starship exploring the galaxy, not sitting behind some desk pushing paper in a cubicle under florescent lights with no window in sight. What amazes me is that software that runs an insurance business can have bugs. I mean, it's all pushing numbers around, some conditional logic, and some math. :~ Marc

                      V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                      Rajesh R Subramanian
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                      I'm probably swimming against the wave here, but I don't quite get the point of this post. ALL software has bugs. Why should insurance business be any different? In a way, everything comes down to ones and zeroes, so why bugs should exist at all, right? If you find the job soooo boring, I think it's time for you to find another job that you deem interesting, then. That would at least be better than publicly self-aggrandizing and condescending those who are employing you. :)

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                      • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                        I'm probably swimming against the wave here, but I don't quite get the point of this post. ALL software has bugs. Why should insurance business be any different? In a way, everything comes down to ones and zeroes, so why bugs should exist at all, right? If you find the job soooo boring, I think it's time for you to find another job that you deem interesting, then. That would at least be better than publicly self-aggrandizing and condescending those who are employing you. :)

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                        Lost User
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                        Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                        If you find the job soooo boring, I think it's time for you to find another job that you deem interesting, then.

                        He started about a week ago.

                        Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          WSDL, SOAP, XML, reports... Metaphorically, where as McCoy when he told Kirk he belongs in the Captain's chair of a starship exploring the galaxy, not sitting behind some desk pushing paper in a cubicle under florescent lights with no window in sight. What amazes me is that software that runs an insurance business can have bugs. I mean, it's all pushing numbers around, some conditional logic, and some math. :~ Marc

                          V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                          dan sh
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                          I used to work for insurance company, then moved away and now I am back in to same domain. From my observation, most of the time we need to work on some old technology. Fight hard to convince business to move to something newer (which rarely happens as IT is not primary line of business). Another observation I have made is that most of the applications are really straightforward (exception: premium calculation with dynamic pricing). However, there are so many applications linked with each other that major part of work is to make sure your system does not harm someone else's. Note: Programmers in insurance world are nasty. Just like insurance companies themselves. :) As far as bugs are concerned, there are bugs in all professional level code. On the bright side, you will rarely run out of business.

                          "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                            OriginalGriff wrote:

                            ass

                            When did Wales join the USA? Was this one of the effects of Brexit that the BBC hasn't covered? :rolleyes: Google translate can't seem to find the proper Welsh word - does dinau work? Otherwise, stick to a proper English "arse". :)


                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                            Brady Kelly
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                            :thumbsup:

                            Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.

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                            • W W Balboos GHB

                              I've been coding for an insurance company for years. How not to get board? I solve the problems as abstractly as I can - they work for the insurance business, but only because they're a subset of the "everything" that they're made to fit. My fun is making it as generic as possible and as robust as possible. Now, I admit that sometimes they make me actually do the odd report - but even that's mostly taken care of with a "generic reporting" interface. The DBA can use it to create the reports that automatically go to table (with a too-Excel link, when appropriate), and generally, I palm the ugly work off onto the people who are supposed to do it. The method to this madness is to get the work for them done very well and reliably so - but on my terms. Those that understand (fortunately, that now includes the CEO!) appreciate stuff that's built to last through business changes.

                              Ravings en masse^

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Brady Kelly
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                              W∴ Balboos wrote:

                              I've been coding for an insurance company for years. How not to get board?

                              Insurance companies give you boards? What for?

                              Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.

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                              • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                                If you want to know true boredom, get someone in the business to explain the difference between reinsurance and coinsurance :wtf:

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                                Jorgen Andersson
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                                Having an Englishman and an Indian explaining the rules of Cricket, in depth, worked for me as well.

                                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                  Having an Englishman and an Indian explaining the rules of Cricket, in depth, worked for me as well.

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                  Nagy Vilmos
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                                  But cricket is so simple: There are two sides, one is in the other is out. There side that is in stays in, except the two players who are in and they go out with the side that is out. Each player that is in stays out until the side that is out gets them out when they go in and the next player who is in comes out. When all the players on the side that are in are out, except for the last player in who is not out, the side that was in are out and the side that was out are no in. Simple.

                                  veni bibi saltavi

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                                    But cricket is so simple: There are two sides, one is in the other is out. There side that is in stays in, except the two players who are in and they go out with the side that is out. Each player that is in stays out until the side that is out gets them out when they go in and the next player who is in comes out. When all the players on the side that are in are out, except for the last player in who is not out, the side that was in are out and the side that was out are no in. Simple.

                                    veni bibi saltavi

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                                    Jorgen Andersson
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                                    I can (rather vividly) remember tea, and the break for it, being of utter importance. I also remember Gin being mentioned on several occasions. And whether its mixture with tonic water was considered to be doping or not, and for which team.

                                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                    • B Brady Kelly

                                      W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                      I've been coding for an insurance company for years. How not to get board?

                                      Insurance companies give you boards? What for?

                                      Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.

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                                      W Balboos GHB
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                                      Board? Water you talking about?

                                      Ravings en masse^

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      • W W Balboos GHB

                                        Board? Water you talking about?

                                        Ravings en masse^

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        Brady Kelly
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                                        Yes, otherwise I'd get bored.

                                        Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.

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                                        • D dan sh

                                          I used to work for insurance company, then moved away and now I am back in to same domain. From my observation, most of the time we need to work on some old technology. Fight hard to convince business to move to something newer (which rarely happens as IT is not primary line of business). Another observation I have made is that most of the applications are really straightforward (exception: premium calculation with dynamic pricing). However, there are so many applications linked with each other that major part of work is to make sure your system does not harm someone else's. Note: Programmers in insurance world are nasty. Just like insurance companies themselves. :) As far as bugs are concerned, there are bugs in all professional level code. On the bright side, you will rarely run out of business.

                                          "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                                          Herbie Mountjoy
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                                          Insurance companies are very loath to change things they have been using for years unless there is an overwhelming justification. This is exactly where my current project sits. We are trying to pursuade a number of insurance companies to use our software but they cannot justify the cost of integrating it into their old, old systems. In a few years they will be trying to update their old, old systems just as a large number of financial institutions are trying to move from mainframes to more compact servers right now. In the words of the old Flanders & Swann song, "It all makes work for the working man to do".

                                          We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.

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