How does anyone use TFS?
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
We use it for Bugs, Change Requests, and Source Control. Works just fine for us. :^)
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
I completely agree. Whoever designed the UI for TFS online is a total moron. Completely confusing.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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I completely agree. Whoever designed the UI for TFS online is a total moron. Completely confusing.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
Kevin Marois wrote:
the UI for TFS online
The forms can be customized, by the way.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Kevin Marois wrote:
the UI for TFS online
The forms can be customized, by the way.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Straight outta the box it's a total mess. It's not at all intuitive. There's no clear indication where you are or how to do even the simplest things. Every try deleting a project??? That took a bit of Googling to finally find the right page and then the right little drop down widget thingy. Add a project.... and wait 10 minutes while it's created.. WTF could possibly take so long to create a few records in a DB somewhere? Wanna give someone rights? LOL - Good luck trying that. Then, after alllll that - you think I'm gonna "customize" it... hell I can't figure it out in its default configuration. Screw customizing.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Have been using it quite happily for a number of years. Not the best nor the worst tool. However, I have persuaded management in a few places that it would be best if we employed a TFS consultant to set it up initially to suit our needs and then we could move on from there. That works well. Also depends on how complex you want/need to make the branching model and what other parts of it you need to use.
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We use it for Bugs, Change Requests, and Source Control. Works just fine for us. :^)
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Works just fine for us
Besides the klunkiness of the UI, it also takes VS forever to load and to do any operation, like adding new files, committing, etc., probably because the whole thing has to go through a proxy that connects to a server on the company's internal network 3000 miles away. But why it even has to do that, as compared to, say, Git or SVN -- make your changes, review your changes, including new files, and commit. And I don't like integrated source control, I like to have options (meaning 3rd party separate apps) for exploring the repo, doing commits, merges, etc. Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Git, of course.:thumbsup: Or, Mercurial (Hg):thumbsup: Visual SourceSafe should'a been your warning for TFS. :laugh:
raddevus wrote:
Git, of course
Sadly I'm forced to use the source control system that the company is using. Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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raddevus wrote:
Git, of course
Sadly I'm forced to use the source control system that the company is using. Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
I used to wrap my directories in a git repository, but when I tried that here, Visual Studio saw that I had a git repository and would no longer show me the normal tfs team stuff and would only offer its git interface in the team tab...even Visual Studio knows that git is superior to tfs.
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
I don't like it either, but I have to use it at work. No performance issues though, and branching and merging is easy through VS.
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
We use it via the VS IDE as much as possible. Online: what a debacle. Truly mind boggling.
cheers Chris Maunder
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
S.L.O.O.O.W! I gave up on it after three or four weeks.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
Using Visual Studio Team Services here and it's great, naturally not using TFVC for source control but as VSTS supports Git why would you? Back in the days of TFS 2010 then yeah, that sucked pretty badly. 2013 got much better but Team Services is where it's at for me.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
I setup TFS 2013-15 in our company, a complete switchover from our previous source control and bug tracking. We use local TFS, not TFS online. For source control everything is instantanous, and we're using TFVC not Git (which has a local repo). I think it's fantastic and the whole company loves it. Keep in mind we're all using Visual Studio 2015 so the integration is basically flawless.
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
We use our own networked instance and its been fine. The only place I find it lacking is I'd like to be able to find in files without having to get latest.
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
My previous employers used TFS Online. We could never find anything. I agree it's a mess, never got used to it. Now using JIRA. It took a little getting used to, but at least I can find stuff there now.
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RyanDev wrote:
Works just fine for us
Besides the klunkiness of the UI, it also takes VS forever to load and to do any operation, like adding new files, committing, etc., probably because the whole thing has to go through a proxy that connects to a server on the company's internal network 3000 miles away. But why it even has to do that, as compared to, say, Git or SVN -- make your changes, review your changes, including new files, and commit. And I don't like integrated source control, I like to have options (meaning 3rd party separate apps) for exploring the repo, doing commits, merges, etc. Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
My favourite "feature" is that deleting a file from the Solution Explorer then performing a checkin doesn't actually commit the delete; you have to open Team Explorer then check in there for the deletes to actually commit...crazy. This also causes complete havok with NuGet which attempts to delete a package that doesn't get deleted so it can't be replaced. I find I have to checkout the whole kit and kaboodle, manually delete the packages, check everything back in, in Team Explorer so packages actually get deleted, then checkout once more, then add the new packages then perform another check in. :wtf:
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It's usability is about the same as a jaw-less zombie. X| Marc
V.A.P.O.R.ware - Visual Assisted Programming / Organizational Representation Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
TFS uses wrong terminology, as a result it always does something completely unexpected. If you have to use it (company decision) then employees must be properly trained at first place. If the company doesn't do the training prerequisite than the use of TFS is clunky and TFS functionality is limited. Finaly conclusion: run away of it unless your company is (big) Microsoft Partner (or something).
