Automated future and basic universal income
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
Sounds a little like communism, doesn't it? Or like Star Trek.
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
Swinkaran wrote:
So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine?
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Sounds a little like communism, doesn't it? Or like Star Trek.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.Not really communism imo. More of a socialist policy. Most UBI theories center around a basic income that simply allows you to live whereas other sources of income (like work) are the same as in capitalism. You earn it you keep it. Communism rejects the idea of personal ownership of anything (wealth, religion, etc) while socialism promotes both personal ownership and community ownership which is why it works well alongside other systems like capitalism. The general premise being to help both yourself and the community.
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
Swinkaran wrote:
So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine?
Nothing. Until the unions start complaining, then: not enough, and with the wrong solution. Probably the same old trick, pour billions of public money into the creation of artificial jobs (naturally, fewer than were lost) that no one wants to have and don't have to be done. I see no reason why the govt won't simply repeat the mistakes that it has made in the past. That's kind of their thing.
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
Swinkaran wrote:
Universal basic income is something I never thought of.....
But who pays for it when the only people employed are the ones making the machines that result in unemployment? UBI is at best a stopgap measure on the way to a society (or world) sufficiently automated that one's needs are taken care of by the automation, not by UBI. I realize that is a "far far away, in another galaxy" concept, and with a lot of misery, probably war, definitely terrorism, and a significant reduction in personal freedoms, including the freedom to bear children, along the way. If we actually ever get there. Marc
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
I dunno like the concept of UBI... I believe it is good for the economy at large (as opposed to the few richest). But where will the money come from? All western government are starved for cash and could certainly not finance UBI on the back of the middle class, which is getting poorer and is the only one really taxed... (poor have no money, rich are taxed less and less) As for the demonetisation (as in a link inside your link) it's happening. But much less slowly that than he believes, I am pretty sure...
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Sounds a little like communism, doesn't it? Or like Star Trek.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.Not really. Communisn really is all asset are owned by the government which also decide of your activities. Communism nor Capitalism have nothing to do with the exact percent or absolute value of taxation. That could as well be "ultra capitalism" with an absolute (i.e. not relative to your income) negative tax amount. Now, did you mean "it sounds like USSR, I am afraid it's gonna turn bad for the same reason"?, well fear not, this look nothing like Russia! No goulag, no forced labor camp, no 5 years plan!
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Swinkaran wrote:
Universal basic income is something I never thought of.....
But who pays for it when the only people employed are the ones making the machines that result in unemployment? UBI is at best a stopgap measure on the way to a society (or world) sufficiently automated that one's needs are taken care of by the automation, not by UBI. I realize that is a "far far away, in another galaxy" concept, and with a lot of misery, probably war, definitely terrorism, and a significant reduction in personal freedoms, including the freedom to bear children, along the way. If we actually ever get there. Marc
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I like your pessimism, since I share it! We could tax the one owning the asset? But looks like it's not gonna happen. While the 20th century was the most democratic century of all history, looks like oligarchy is making a come back in the 21st. Really the future looks... interesting...
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Not really. Communisn really is all asset are owned by the government which also decide of your activities. Communism nor Capitalism have nothing to do with the exact percent or absolute value of taxation. That could as well be "ultra capitalism" with an absolute (i.e. not relative to your income) negative tax amount. Now, did you mean "it sounds like USSR, I am afraid it's gonna turn bad for the same reason"?, well fear not, this look nothing like Russia! No goulag, no forced labor camp, no 5 years plan!
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Super Lloyd wrote:
Now, did you mean "it sounds like USSR, I am afraid it's gonna turn bad for the same reason"?, well fear not, this look nothing like Russia! No goulag, no forced labor camp, no 5 years plan!
To be fair, no country on Earth has achieved true communism. True communism is the complete and utter surrender of all personal assets (including spiritual) to the state - including the highest ranking officials. All attempts including the USSR have been "corrupted" communism.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
Now, did you mean "it sounds like USSR, I am afraid it's gonna turn bad for the same reason"?, well fear not, this look nothing like Russia! No goulag, no forced labor camp, no 5 years plan!
To be fair, no country on Earth has achieved true communism. True communism is the complete and utter surrender of all personal assets (including spiritual) to the state - including the highest ranking officials. All attempts including the USSR have been "corrupted" communism.
Well, close enough though, all what is really missing is the enlightened benevolent state elite. Don't see it coming anytime soon though.... Although to be fair, there has been some case of enlightened elite on earth, Singapore past dictator wasn't too bad... I have trouble in believing in non democratic benevolent durable state though...
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Sounds a little like communism, doesn't it? Or like Star Trek.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.I grew up under communism - it has nothing to do with it... There is a real problem of more and more people without job to create some income (both to him and the country)...
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Well, close enough though, all what is really missing is the enlightened benevolent state elite. Don't see it coming anytime soon though.... Although to be fair, there has been some case of enlightened elite on earth, Singapore past dictator wasn't too bad... I have trouble in believing in non democratic benevolent durable state though...
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How about an ignorant malevolant state elite? I can see that happen soon enough. :|
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I like your pessimism, since I share it! We could tax the one owning the asset? But looks like it's not gonna happen. While the 20th century was the most democratic century of all history, looks like oligarchy is making a come back in the 21st. Really the future looks... interesting...
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Super Lloyd wrote:
Really the future looks... interesting :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: X| X| X| X| :~:~:~:~...
FTFY
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
And or years I've be saying; "...every time you use self checkout you're taking a job from someone...". If a human doesn't take my money I don't shop at that place...period!
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Sounds a little like communism, doesn't it? Or like Star Trek.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
Sounds a little like communism, doesn't it?
Sounds like common sense to me. What else can we possibly do? Let millions starve because there's no work, and the guys who own the robots have all the money?
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
One of the largest monthly expenditures is housing. For Universal Basic Income to work, individuals need to live in areas where housing is relatively affordable; to a large extent, that excludes most major cities. I grew up in Ontario, Canada in a city of between 50,000 and 60,000, so not necessarily a 'major' city, but significant. And, if I read the city's online newspaper, I regularly see articles about how housing in not affordable. So, if you have a 'guaranteed income', but you use 1/2 of it for housing, you don't have enough to pay your utilities, groceries, transportation, etc... So... you have to move to a 'minor' community to find affordable housing. Oh, wait, now the nearest grocery store is now an hour away by car - no public transit available. And who is paying for all of this? The government? No... taxes are - from people who are striving to improve their lives and businesses who getting tired of being overtaxed and shift to less expensive regions. And universal health care? I needed an 'emergency' MRI - I had to wait 3 months because there was a lack of MRI facilities due to funding... There is no free lunch.
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And or years I've be saying; "...every time you use self checkout you're taking a job from someone...". If a human doesn't take my money I don't shop at that place...period!
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I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!A mate of mine wouldn't use a parking garage unless it had human attendants. He doesn't get a choice, any more.
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Years ago, supermarkets used to have minimum of 10 staffs at checkout counters. Now, automated self checkout counters... and hardly 2 staffs. So, what is going to happen for those who is loosing the jobs because of their role is replaced with a machine? Universal basic income is something I never thought of..... Automated future and Universal basic income
One problem with ABI is that markets will quickly adjust to those levels. (Like how college tuition at non-elite schools usual "just happens to" match the maximum Pell Grant amount.)
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How about an ignorant malevolant state elite? I can see that happen soon enough. :|
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
it's already there alright! :omg:
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