MAC OS
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
There's your problem.. if you want to code on a Mac, get a Mac
Agree, but had less than a week and no budget (favor for a friend).
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Personally, I'll be glad when the day comes that I no longer need Windows.
Also agree, but the customer is king, and just as for the mac programming on the native box is the only choice. (Tried vm-ing windows from linux/freebsd but it was just a hassle as all of the paid work was on Windows, never enough time/chance/energy to work/play on the host so all it did was make boot times longer and bottleneck talking native to attached devices.)
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Lopatir wrote:
Tried vm-ing windows from linux/freebsd but it was just a hassle as all of the paid work was on Windows, never enough time/chance/energy to work/play on the host so all it did was make boot times longer and bottleneck talking native to attached devices.
I've found the same, hence why I've got a machine for each OS. Expensive, but I think it's the most practical (i.e. non-hacky) way and it encourages you to get used to using each OS rather than just falling back to what you're comfortable with :)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Had to do a quick and dirty port of a .Net prog to Mac - one time demo. Figured ok, build a Mac VM (max 15 minute job for a VPC). What a nightmare, fart around trying magic and incantations to get the VM to work, then try to install xcode and xamarin, sorry this version needs that version - gives version umbers but when you look for it it's all sorts of stupid names like "Mountain Duck" and "Ill Clapitrap." Unlike Win, finding an older versions for the mac is, well, it simply isn't. And joining their store thing, what a forking forkup of forking forks that is, they want to take over your life, own your email and contacts, own your phone even if it's droid, and sign you up to 1000 mailing lists every second screen, and then still install a boatload of shit on your PC... FFS fork that! OK, find matching versions of OS and bits required, start over, (build new vm...) still a good full day to get it dev functional. Finally got the app running on the VM, but still have to jump through hoops and straighten a carton of banana's to get it to function on the friends native mac, some sort of app wrapper required so you can install something you can double click on, plus runtime machine needs xcode installed (which doesn't add it to the path), blah, blah, bloody blah.... (In the end wrote a quick shell script and asked my friend to install xcode and run the app via file manager in his email attachments folder.) Quick and dirty job on a mac: all up 4 days and literally a headache (windows equivalent: 4 minutes, maybe 10 min on a bad day). Admittedly I was just seat of the pantsing it, and trying to take shortcuts - didn't help, it's do it the apple way, or do it the apple way. So much for xamarin being the magic making '.net easily portable'; porting .net apps developed on windows to the mac: as simple as house training a canary using the same methods used to house train a dog.
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I have a copy of every OS for the Mac, including variants for the Power Computing Corp Macs. I used to work at Apple and took a "copy" of each when I left (once authorized accordingly). Thing is, though, I am not allowed to share them.
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I asked about using a MAC because a developer I know uses MAC. He thinks that most developers use MAC which I can not imagine that it would be that common. I'm a .NET guy so I would not have any desire to use MAC, but it can be done I'm told.
Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
Ygnaiih wrote:
He thinks that most developers use MAC which I can not imagine that it would be that common
depends on what your friend works on or even where he works (geographically). I am just a couple of hours from the Bay Area and MacBooks are very popular with developers. I switched to a mac several years ago (MacBook Pro) because there wasn't anything PC related that was compact and powerful like the mac. My macbook pro is my main development machine but from it I can easily to switch to Windows as well as Linux which I do commonly. I spend a lot of my free time working with Swift for both iOS as well as recently Server Side development. Ideally I would prefer to stick with mac and linux but that just isn't going to be the case 100% of the time so I find something that works for me. It's about productivity and how you achieve.
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I asked about using a MAC because a developer I know uses MAC. He thinks that most developers use MAC which I can not imagine that it would be that common. I'm a .NET guy so I would not have any desire to use MAC, but it can be done I'm told.
Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
It can be done, but the average Mac is more expensive than a generic PC. Also, the Windows environment is the most targetted platform, and most devs are instructed to develop on the same platform that they are working for. So, for those two reasons, your dev is wrong. He is also wrong on the subject that he is "thinking", as there is no argumentation involved. He is merely expressing an assumption.
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Do any of you use a MAC to program?
Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
I use a Mac at work, but since my main projects are in SAP and ASP.NET MVC right now, I still tend to do my dev work in either a VM or RDP in Windows. I use the Mac version of Photoshop at least.
Jeremy Falcon
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Do any of you use a MAC to program?
Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
Just as a clarification, it doesn't make sense to spell Mac using all capitals, as it's not an acronym. It's just an abbreviation of 'Macintosh'. I'm not trying to sound pedantic - just trying to point it our in a friendly way. Depending on the developer community you're talking about, it's very possible (even likely) than most of the developers use Macs. Using my totally non-scientific method of counting the laptops visible at developer meetups I go to in Toronto, Macs seem to make up the majority of machines I see at any non .NET meetup. I have a Macbook, a Zenbook running Windows 10, and a Thinkpad running Ubuntu. In order to be the ultimate hipster, when I go to a meetup I'l sometimes put all three in my backpack, and only take out the one that is least like what everyone else is using. :) Outside of .NET projects at work, I try to make it so that most of what I write will run everywhere. I like all three OSes, but they all annoy me in their own different ways, too. Switching between them regularly (I'll often use all three in any given day) keeps my frustration level low. I like to think it is also preventing me from becoming one of those old grumps who goes online and rails against any OS aside from the one he/she is most used to. Only time will tell if I'm able to permanently avoid that fate, though.
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Just as a clarification, it doesn't make sense to spell Mac using all capitals, as it's not an acronym. It's just an abbreviation of 'Macintosh'. I'm not trying to sound pedantic - just trying to point it our in a friendly way. Depending on the developer community you're talking about, it's very possible (even likely) than most of the developers use Macs. Using my totally non-scientific method of counting the laptops visible at developer meetups I go to in Toronto, Macs seem to make up the majority of machines I see at any non .NET meetup. I have a Macbook, a Zenbook running Windows 10, and a Thinkpad running Ubuntu. In order to be the ultimate hipster, when I go to a meetup I'l sometimes put all three in my backpack, and only take out the one that is least like what everyone else is using. :) Outside of .NET projects at work, I try to make it so that most of what I write will run everywhere. I like all three OSes, but they all annoy me in their own different ways, too. Switching between them regularly (I'll often use all three in any given day) keeps my frustration level low. I like to think it is also preventing me from becoming one of those old grumps who goes online and rails against any OS aside from the one he/she is most used to. Only time will tell if I'm able to permanently avoid that fate, though.
I play with a Raspberry Pi. I got corrected that I should say R Pi so I get corrected frequently by the cognoscenti. My agency uses Windows computers, so at work I use Visual Studio because that is what I have to use. I use my Surface Tablet to work with my R Pi through a VPN. I had an early bad experience with Mac (correct I hope) where I had to help a local ISP in the dial-up days to get the few Apple computers on line . It was hard enough to get Win 95 on line. There were more and better instructions for MS than for Apple. My son uses Mac to code, and I am thinking of getting a Mac so that I can keep up.
Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
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I play with a Raspberry Pi. I got corrected that I should say R Pi so I get corrected frequently by the cognoscenti. My agency uses Windows computers, so at work I use Visual Studio because that is what I have to use. I use my Surface Tablet to work with my R Pi through a VPN. I had an early bad experience with Mac (correct I hope) where I had to help a local ISP in the dial-up days to get the few Apple computers on line . It was hard enough to get Win 95 on line. There were more and better instructions for MS than for Apple. My son uses Mac to code, and I am thinking of getting a Mac so that I can keep up.
Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
It's worth trying a Mac for a few hours if you have a friend who has one, or you can find one to use at a local library or university. You can do just about anything with MacOS you can with Windows, but lots of things are done differently; some are only a little bit different, and some are very different. It's mostly just a matter of using it for a while, at which point it'll feel natural. Of course, you might still find that you prefer Windows - which is totally fine. Or you might find that you slightly prefer MacOS. Or you might decide you don't really like either of them. :) It's worth noting that if you get a decently powerful Mac, you can use Parallels or VMWare Fusion to run your Windows programs alongside Mac programs. It's pretty seamless for the most part. And if you get a Mac and decide that you *really* dislike MacOS, you can always blow it away and just install Windows. :suss:
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Do any of you use a MAC to program?
Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.
Medium Access Controller? Or are you referring to a Mac instead?
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Medium Access Controller? Or are you referring to a Mac instead?
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles