Programming Lesson of the Day
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`Dump()` is an extension method added to all objects within LinqPad. LinqPad is a tool which allows writing & compiling simple C# code snippets (plus a bunch of other things). (And the basic version is free: www.linqpad.com )
Truth, James
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Oh I hear ya man. I reckon the difference being the compiler knows that's an assignment operator. My understanding of the way C# and Java does things is to create an object where needed from literals / constants / expressions. So, it would be more like this...
"Hello, world!".ToUpper()
...just instead of a string it's a false... which gets treated like a boolean.
Jeremy Falcon
No, it's the use of an int as a boolean that C# complains about. The assignment in the if() is fine, provided it's a boolean:
bool x = false;
if (x = true)
"It's True".Dump();Truth, James
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Programming Lesson of the Day #2: If you'd used C# it wouldn't have compiled ... :laugh:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I reckon the difference being the compiler knows that's an assignment operator.
Nope, it's because both C# and Java are more type safe (strong typed) than C is. In this case they define a boolean type, C just interprets an integer to have similar "meaning" to a boolean. And the if statement (in C#/Java) requires a boolean input argument. It's the same sort of situation as sending a string into a function which expected a float - compiler error - wrong type. This is an example of where C uses a weak typing system. It generally just uses the raw data as if it's in the expected type. Effectively turning it into a raw type-cast. The more strongly typed languages disallow most of these, probably because they tend to be the reason behind lots of bugs (if not most).
Makes sense.
Jeremy Falcon
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`Dump()` is an extension method added to all objects within LinqPad. LinqPad is a tool which allows writing & compiling simple C# code snippets (plus a bunch of other things). (And the basic version is free: www.linqpad.com )
Truth, James
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And I've learned something today! Thank you - I didn't know that. :thumbsup:
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I'm sure James' response wasn't there when I posted this!
Well, at least you got the URL right....
Truth, James
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X & Y
is not the same as
X && Y
Twenty minutes wasted on a condition who refused to yield the correct result.
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How this difference can hurt. m is length of string = 3; *b is first character in string say "xyz" while( *b & m-- ) { b++; } is not the same as while( *b && m-- ) {b++;} because while( *b & m-- ) { b++; } fails when *b is null tested AND m is decremented at the same time ergo m is off by 1 while( *b && m-- ) { b++; } fails when *b is null tested. m is not decremented because of the short circuit test of *b stops the evaluation ergo m has the correct character count so yes & and && are not the same so be careful of the logic when using C
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Don't get me wrong ... I'm not dissing on C and saying C# is all that great. I was simply pointing out why the if statement would fail to even compile in this particular case when trying this in C#. You make a point where C#'s strong typing does make a programmer's life more cumbersome - you'd need to convert a byte array into specific types to do what you want, though there is readily available built-in libraries for that, or you could use an unsafe code block and use pointers to cast one into the other (just like you'd have done in C). Point is it would make for more coding to achieve the same thing. Though it's only in special circumstances (like your example) where this is beneficial. Nearly everywhere else it means there's less to think about (and guard against) due to the compiler checking types for you. If you find you constantly run into situations where you need to cast between types - then perhaps C# isn't the correct tool for the job and you'd be better off with C instead.
I didn't get you wrong, neither I was dissing C# - each task has its tool for the job. For a graphical interface I would most definetely use C# (now I'm stuck to VB6 due to company decisions), and for almost any program. My job involves both hardware control and computation/memory heavy algorithms so C/C++ is the tool of excellence as of now.
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I find the strong typing of C# is more of a help than a hindrance. Back in my C days I would get into horrible tangles doing precisely what you are trying to do. An int is not a bool even though many programmers of the era would treat them alike. I still encounter data tables that have integers or even strings used as boolean values and it makes my skin crawl.
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Sometimes the assumption makes code shorter but definetely not faster (optimizars take away all the fun) or elegant. In fact I stopped using them interchangeably a while ago, now I use integers as bools only when marshalling between different conventions or storing in exchangeable data structures - it allows me to fix the size of the data field without stumbling in the differences of bool type size between compilers and languages.
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No. Example 2 & 4 is 0 2 && is 1 (true) In that case I needed the first form as I was checking for a flag in a flag register, but mistakenly used the second form due to, well, being the most common (althought not so much in my field, which requires the management of a lot of driverless hardware).
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That depends on the language. In a strongly typed language, 1 and true aren't the same because one is a number and true is a boolean. So 2&4 is 0 and 2&&4 is 0 as well, however the difference is in side effects. SomeFunc & SomeOtherFunc will execute both functions with their side-effets, SomeFunc && SomeOtherFunc will stop executing if SomeFunc returns false. PS: I am talking about C# here which is, unlike C and C++, a strongly-typed language.
