Frank Herbert's "Dune" to be adapted to film again
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I read the book - twice - and the old film did not do it justice. I hope this version is better!
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The mini-series for Dune had it's moments, but was ultimately a let-down. However, they did a pretty good job with Children of Dune.
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Dune may finally get a good adaptation from Denis Villeneuve - The Verge[^] I haven't really liked the Dune films I have seen. But this one sounds like it could be excellent.
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To be fair to the film producers, it must be extremely difficult to compress a very complex book into 3 hours (or even a miniseries) while keeping the flavour of the original. Yes, I do hope the next version improves on the past.
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To be fair to the film producers, it must be extremely difficult to compress a very complex book into 3 hours (or even a miniseries) while keeping the flavour of the original. Yes, I do hope the next version improves on the past.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
The hardest part of dealing with Dune is getting Mentats right. With the wrong touch, they will come across as being poor Spock clones.
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I read the book - twice - and the old film did not do it justice. I hope this version is better!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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The hardest part of dealing with Dune is getting Mentats right. With the wrong touch, they will come across as being poor Spock clones.
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About the only easy part of producing a Dune film is the portrayal of "Beast" Rabban; he is just a brute, albeit a useful brute. All other characters have their complexities. Personally, I think that a good portrayal of Duke Leto would be very difficult. He is a tragic figure who successfully (and honourably) walks a fine line between his loyalties and his duties, but doing so inevitably leads him to disaster.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill
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and the old film did not do it justice.
It was actually appallingly bad.
I quite liked it, but it was really different to the book - I have no idea where they got the ideas for the style of the film but it was certainly interesting. It got me interested in the books too, so that's got to be a plus point for it too.. :)
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I quite liked it, but it was really different to the book - I have no idea where they got the ideas for the style of the film but it was certainly interesting. It got me interested in the books too, so that's got to be a plus point for it too.. :)
Ah, I see you have the machine that goes ping. This is my favorite. You see we lease it back from the company we sold it to and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.
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Dune may finally get a good adaptation from Denis Villeneuve - The Verge[^] I haven't really liked the Dune films I have seen. But this one sounds like it could be excellent.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
A single film? It won't be good. The trouble is that a movie is too short - look at the "book of the film" for any of them and they are basically a short story padded out to a novel (the exception being "The Abyss" but there they broke with tradition and used a good author - Orson Scott Card - to write it and let him see the damn film first). So when you take a good, complex book (rather than a Dan Brown style POS) you have to throw away most of the complications to shorten it to movie size. Look at "Enders game" for example, when the book was superb because of all the bits they left out of the poor film. Dune is such a book - and it needs three or four films to do it justice: run time about as much time as it takes to read the book, probably! :laugh:
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A single film? It won't be good. The trouble is that a movie is too short - look at the "book of the film" for any of them and they are basically a short story padded out to a novel (the exception being "The Abyss" but there they broke with tradition and used a good author - Orson Scott Card - to write it and let him see the damn film first). So when you take a good, complex book (rather than a Dan Brown style POS) you have to throw away most of the complications to shorten it to movie size. Look at "Enders game" for example, when the book was superb because of all the bits they left out of the poor film. Dune is such a book - and it needs three or four films to do it justice: run time about as much time as it takes to read the book, probably! :laugh:
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Get Peter Jackson to do it then - but prevent him from adding bits that have nothing to do with the original book - yes Hobbit trilogy, I'm looking at you.
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A single film? It won't be good. The trouble is that a movie is too short - look at the "book of the film" for any of them and they are basically a short story padded out to a novel (the exception being "The Abyss" but there they broke with tradition and used a good author - Orson Scott Card - to write it and let him see the damn film first). So when you take a good, complex book (rather than a Dan Brown style POS) you have to throw away most of the complications to shorten it to movie size. Look at "Enders game" for example, when the book was superb because of all the bits they left out of the poor film. Dune is such a book - and it needs three or four films to do it justice: run time about as much time as it takes to read the book, probably! :laugh:
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"Ender's Game " was started out as a short story (I still have the original Analog it was published in). OSC took the short story and expanded it into an awesome universe. I've read the Dune epic written by Frank Herbert and when his offspring started writing, I read the book in "Dune" chronological order. It is amazing how well the new books fit seamlessly into the original! I don't think any movie version will be adequate, too expensive with not enough return to the movie industry.
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Dune may finally get a good adaptation from Denis Villeneuve - The Verge[^] I haven't really liked the Dune films I have seen. But this one sounds like it could be excellent.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Some things are perfectly adapted to the medium in which they were conceived, and not so much for others. Dune is one of these things. There's too much internalization to translate well to the screen without horribly schlock-y approaches, like a narrator or vaudevillian acting.
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The hardest part of dealing with Dune is getting Mentats right. With the wrong touch, they will come across as being poor Spock clones.
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I partly agree, but ultimately think Paul is still the problem. In part because the book very clearly starts with a young Paul who appears to be younger than he is, yet movies/series start with him being much older, very likely so they can keep with the same actor (and avoid working with kids), which is a fatal mistake. (Muad'Dib makes no sense in any other context.) Another point lost by some critics is that Paul really is the Kwisatz Haderach. It's not just Paul exploiting man made myth. (I do think even Frank Herbert lost his own thread during and after God Emperor of Dune, turning the story increasingly into a procedural, if not aimless, soap opera and that his son's awful books continued that trend.)
