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  • K Kaladin

    Well, it's defined according to the speed of light in a vacuum.

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    Mark_Wallace
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    Under what gravity?

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    • D Daniel Pfeffer

      Tachyons are considered impossible in Special Relativity - they can send information into the past, and so reverse cause and effect. In a Universe where Tachyons existed, it would be possible for you to kill your grandmother before your mother was born, thereby making you disappear - poof! :)

      There was a young woman called Bright
      Who could travel much faster than light
      She went out one day
      In a Relative way
      And returned the previous night

      -- Anon.

      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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      Yeah, fair enough, I guess unless a hypothetical particle has been observed we must assume it is impossible. I wonder what they're doing with the LHC these days....

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      • Y Ygnaiih

        Lately I am seeing articles from Futurist who say that this or that is impossible. A good example would be faster than light speed travel. I'm old. I've seen everything from floor model radios to 98 inch flat screen TVs with Netflix etc. I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

        Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.

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        Ygnaiih wrote:

        articles from Futurist who say that this or that is impossible.

        That's their opinion, and as the old adage goes 'opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one'. A positive that may come of it though, it might kickstart a thought process by the right person, that may prove or disprove that opinion.

        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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        • Y Ygnaiih

          Lately I am seeing articles from Futurist who say that this or that is impossible. A good example would be faster than light speed travel. I'm old. I've seen everything from floor model radios to 98 inch flat screen TVs with Netflix etc. I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

          Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Possible and achievable are two different things. Something may be possible, yet we may not achieve it. I don't think we'll achieve time travel.

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            Ygnaiih wrote:

            I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

            The speed of light is a known physical limit of the universe. It has little to do with what we can invent, and more with the limits that exisist in the universe.

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

            The speed of light is a known physical limit of the universe.

            That's not entirely accurate, depending on your point of view. The speed of light is a known limit to our understanding of the universe. Until someone explains why energy cannot go any faster without relying on 45 layers of other people's mathematical theories, I will still say that it is possible to go faster then light and that is our understanding of physics that is, well, incomplete. I know that with e = mc2 accelerating anything with more mass then a single elementary particle would need all of the energy of the universe but if you rethink what that equation implies, you begin to see that it might just be possible if we knew more.

            if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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              Ygnaiih wrote:

              I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

              The speed of light is a known physical limit of the universe. It has little to do with what we can invent, and more with the limits that exisist in the universe.

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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              Bassam Abdul Baki
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              At what speed does gas escape a black hole?

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              • Y Ygnaiih

                Lately I am seeing articles from Futurist who say that this or that is impossible. A good example would be faster than light speed travel. I'm old. I've seen everything from floor model radios to 98 inch flat screen TVs with Netflix etc. I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

                Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.

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                RedDk
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                Ygnaiih wrote:

                I'm old

                Me too! But there's always Google; the workaround to getting a life! :thumbsup:

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                • F Foothill

                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  The speed of light is a known physical limit of the universe.

                  That's not entirely accurate, depending on your point of view. The speed of light is a known limit to our understanding of the universe. Until someone explains why energy cannot go any faster without relying on 45 layers of other people's mathematical theories, I will still say that it is possible to go faster then light and that is our understanding of physics that is, well, incomplete. I know that with e = mc2 accelerating anything with more mass then a single elementary particle would need all of the energy of the universe but if you rethink what that equation implies, you begin to see that it might just be possible if we knew more.

                  if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                  Foothill wrote:

                  That's not entirely accurate, depending on your point of view. The speed of light is a known limit to our understanding of the universe. Until someone explains why energy cannot go any faster without relying on 45 layers of other people's mathematical theories, I will still say that it is possible to go faster then light and that is our understanding of physics that is, well, incomplete.

                  AFAIK, it does not require any additional layers. Now, do come up with a theory were light goes faster and prove it with a repeatable experiment, and we'll talk :)

                  Foothill wrote:

                  I know that with e = mc2 accelerating anything with more mass then a single elementary particle would need all of the energy of the universe but if you rethink what that equation implies, you begin to see that it might just be possible if we knew more.

                  No, it wouldn't, because all matter is still slower than light.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                  • Z ZurdoDev

                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    The speed of light is a known physical limit of the universe.

                    Quote:

                    "based on current technology and science knowledge I have".

                    :-D

                    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                    :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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                    • M Mark_Wallace

                      Under what gravity?

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Jeremy Falcon
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                      Sounds like it's time for a "your momma" joke.

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                      • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                        At what speed does gas escape a black hole?

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                        Yeah, there's definitely a "your momma" joke to be made in this thread.

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                        • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                          At what speed does gas escape a black hole?

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                          Any speed slower than light.

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                            Foothill wrote:

                            That's not entirely accurate, depending on your point of view. The speed of light is a known limit to our understanding of the universe. Until someone explains why energy cannot go any faster without relying on 45 layers of other people's mathematical theories, I will still say that it is possible to go faster then light and that is our understanding of physics that is, well, incomplete.

                            AFAIK, it does not require any additional layers. Now, do come up with a theory were light goes faster and prove it with a repeatable experiment, and we'll talk :)

                            Foothill wrote:

                            I know that with e = mc2 accelerating anything with more mass then a single elementary particle would need all of the energy of the universe but if you rethink what that equation implies, you begin to see that it might just be possible if we knew more.

                            No, it wouldn't, because all matter is still slower than light.

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                            Let me see if I can explain this little theory I've been mulling over in my head since back when I was taking physics at my local university. First, I will start with your statement

                            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                            come up with a theory where light goes faster

                            One of the central tenants of my idea is not to find examples of light deviating from it's set speed but to answer why does it always want move at that speed. What is it about the constant that makes it this way not just for light but all energy. So I started pondering the meaning of Einstein's famous equation and it's implications. e = mc2 implies that energy is a function of an interaction between mass and the constant. It implies that energy is irrelevant and only mass and C matter. Most of the widely accepted theories are rooted in this. If we switch things up, the equation takes on a whole new meaning. m = e/c2 implies that mass is a function of an interaction between energy and the constant. It implies that mass is irrelevant on only energy and C matter. More to the point, since energy is in a constant state of acceleration, the mass of a particle is a direct result of energy shedding velocity due to the C. The caveat is that if we could figure out what the universal principal is that causes all energy to shed velocity to make mass, we could figure out how to negate it, thus making faster-than-light travel possible. I may be off my marks but I've asked several physicists about this without a straight answer; even emails to NASA and FermiLab got me nowhere. The answer was always make up a mathematical model and prove it. It's the same exact model they have now just a different way of looking at it. Never did get anywhere with it so far. The only nice thing is that it offers an explanation for electron quantum jumping. I've got theories on gravity too but I can never get any help from physicists on that one either. Not even a suggestion on where to start.

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                            • P PIEBALDconsult

                              Possible and achievable are two different things. Something may be possible, yet we may not achieve it. I don't think we'll achieve time travel.

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                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              I don't think we'll achieve time travel.

                              According to Hawking the fact that we haven't already been visited by some future time traveler pretty much "proves" it's impossible. :~

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                                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                I don't think we'll achieve time travel.

                                According to Hawking the fact that we haven't already been visited by some future time traveler pretty much "proves" it's impossible. :~

                                In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan

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                                PIEBALDconsult
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                                No, not impossible.

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                                  Ygnaiih wrote:

                                  I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

                                  The speed of light is a known physical limit of the universe. It has little to do with what we can invent, and more with the limits that exisist in the universe.

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                  I saw this yesterday and spent half the night being unsure if I was glad or not. :omg: (I'm currently chasing down his other videos) [The Geometry of Causality | Space Time - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YFrISfN7jo)

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                                  • J Jeremy Falcon

                                    Sounds like it's time for a "your momma" joke.

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                                    Mark_Wallace
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                                    Yo momma so fat that her gravity gradient is so steep that light can't escape her orbit, so she has effectively transformed into a black hole? Did I get the parlance right?

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                                    • Y Ygnaiih

                                      Lately I am seeing articles from Futurist who say that this or that is impossible. A good example would be faster than light speed travel. I'm old. I've seen everything from floor model radios to 98 inch flat screen TVs with Netflix etc. I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

                                      Leadership equals wrecked ship. If you think you are leading my look behind you. You are alone. If you think I am leading you, You are lost.

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                                      Moreno Airoldi
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                                      If I remember correctly, it was Einstein who said that impossible things remain such only until someone comes up with a trick to make them possible. :) That's often the case with new discoveries and advances in science. While things may technically remain impossible, there can be "tricks" to bypass the impossibility. As in your example, FTL travel could be made possible not by travelling faster than light (which *may* remain impossible), but by warping the space around you etc. etc.

                                      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice, but not in practice. - Anonymous A computer is a stupid machine with the ability to do incredibly smart things, while computer programmers are smart people with the ability to do incredibly stupid things. They are, in short, a perfect match. - B. Bryson

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        Ygnaiih wrote:

                                        I would be afraid to say any technological advance is impossible.

                                        The speed of light is a known physical limit of the universe. It has little to do with what we can invent, and more with the limits that exisist in the universe.

                                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                        Ether (cosmic, not medical) was once known as fact of the base material of the universe.

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                                          Ether (cosmic, not medical) was once known as fact of the base material of the universe.

                                          Follow my adventures with .NET Core at my new blog, Erisia Information Services.

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                                          That's the same argument as the flat earth. :)

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